[ppml] Re : on PPML? - was Re: How to get ...

Iwu Mbatelege iwumba at yahoo.fr
Fri Jun 22 12:44:55 EDT 2007

Please stop this non sense debate here:

Have you also come across the following address waist? I haven't seen 
you guys making any noise about them!

014/8   Jun 91   IANA - Public Data Network
---- (a whole /8 for an organisation of less than 20 people?)

inet6num: 2001:07F8::/29
inet6num: 2001:07FD::/32

netname: K-rootserver-net-20030829

descr: This assignment given to k-root.server.net

descr: maintained by the RIPE NCC

--- (just for the Kroot server Infratsructure ????? is this an LIR)



descrAPNIC Pty Ltd - Brisbane Offices + Servers

descrLevel 1, 33 Park Rd

descrPO Box 2131, Milton

descrBrisbane, QLD.


--- (just for APNIC??? an LIR?)

So is your problem with AfriNIC or you are going to request IANA , RIPE NCC, APNIC too to 
send you their justifications? note that most of  the v6 assignments/allocations above were made 
in 2003 where none of these RIR had IPv6 PI policy in place.


----- Message d'origine ----
De : Jeroen Massar <jeroen at unfix.org>
À : Edward Lewis <Ed.Lewis at neustar.biz>
Cc : ARIN Address Policy <ppml at arin.net>
Envoyé le : Vendredi, 22 Juin 2007, 20h23mn 08s
Objet : Re: [ppml] on PPML? - was Re: How to get ...

Edward Lewis wrote:
> At 16:44 +0100 6/22/07, Jeroen Massar wrote:
>> Global address consumption affects everybody globally. As such, if
>> AfriNIC
>> decides to waste address space, that affects all RIR's globally. As
>> such it
>> also affects ARIN, as such it affects you.
> I guess I was too subtle in making my point.

Which point? Sorry, but not everybody is into prose, some people are engineers
and simply want straight words.

> If you are criticizing the activities of Afrinic, take it up discreetly
> with Afrinic.  The "Court of Public Opinion" is not a place for a fair
> "fight."

It is a problem with AfriNIC that has an effect globally.

It is not a fight, it is public questioning. If you want to ignore it, then
ignore it.

> I don't like the precedent of accusing an RIR of a misdoing and asking
> them to publicly defend themselves.  The RIR's operate in a delicate
> balance of both openness in policy development and resource registration
> and confidentiality in handling and judging the worthiness of requests.

That openness is not there when a RIR makes up their own rules without asking
their membership. Or did I miss the superinternal memo that is not supposed to
be public in the first place?

> Working in a environment of openness, confidentiality, and neutrality is
> difficult.  You cannot defend yourself to the fullest because of the
> limits of what can be, what can not be, and what might otherwise be
> implied.
> Plus this is the ARIN mailing list.

Stop thinking in your little American box. Or is the war in Iraq something
that does not happen in the US and thus not relevant? To pull something in
that also shows that local decisions have global effects.

>> Then please try to explain me why I saw this recently:
>> 2001:42c8::/32  Canada     TGB-V6-AFRICA
> I believe that question is wholly inappropriate for this list.
> Especially for this list.  (In the pulic meetings, our chair doesn't
> tolerate personal "accusations" either, something I was heartened to
> witness in April.)

If you try to say "Shut up" to me then either:
 - simply say on this list
 - simply say so by sending a private message

And I am very sure that ARIN staff and other people are also very able to
provide me with a similar message when needed very quickly.

Please bring arguments along, they tend to help.

I brought that up as a note to show you *WHY* it was appropriate to bring
these matters up on the PPML mailinglist as policies and decisions happening
in other regions *DO* affect ARIN.

Let me repeat again, that I have NOTHING against that 2001:42c8::/32
assignment which is really a good thing and very well justified.

It only demonstrates that Address Policy is a global thing, not something
local. Organizations are global and the Internet is global.
Policies and laws etc are not but they do affect us globally.

And in case you don't like me mailing, then simply block all mail from
jeroen at unfix.org, which is always nicely PGP signed, thus should be very easy
to block in your MUA or even MTA.


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