<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Please stop this non sense debate here:<br><br>Have you also come across the following address waist? I haven't seen <br>you guys making any noise about them!<br><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br></span>014/8 Jun 91 IANA - Public Data Network<br><pre><span style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">---- (a whole /8 for an organisation of less than 20 people?)<br><br></span>inet6num: 2001:07F8::/29<br>inet6num: 2001:07FD::/32<br></pre>
netname: K-rootserver-net-20030829<br>
descr: This assignment given to k-root.server.net<br>
descr: maintained by the RIPE NCC<br><br>--- (just for the Kroot server Infratsructure ????? is this an LIR)<br><br>
inet6num2001:0DC0::/32<br>
netnameAPNIC-AP-V6-20030124<br>
descrAPNIC Pty Ltd - Brisbane Offices + Servers<br>
descrLevel 1, 33 Park Rd<br>
descrPO Box 2131, Milton<br>
descrBrisbane, QLD.<br>
countryAU<br><br>--- (just for APNIC??? an LIR?)<br><br>So is your problem with AfriNIC or you are going to request IANA , RIPE NCC, APNIC too to <br>send you their justifications? note that most of the v6 assignments/allocations above were made <br>in 2003 where none of these RIR had IPv6 PI policy in place.<br>
<br>IM.<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Message d'origine ----<br>De : Jeroen Massar <jeroen@unfix.org><br>À : Edward Lewis <Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz><br>Cc : ARIN Address Policy <ppml@arin.net><br>Envoyé le : Vendredi, 22 Juin 2007, 20h23mn 08s<br>Objet : Re: [ppml] on PPML? - was Re: How to get ...<br><br><div>Edward Lewis wrote:<br>> At 16:44 +0100 6/22/07, Jeroen Massar wrote:<br>> <br>>> Global address consumption affects everybody globally. As such, if<br>>> AfriNIC<br>>> decides to waste address space, that affects all RIR's globally. As<br>>> such it<br>>> also affects ARIN, as such it affects you.<br>> <br>> I guess I was too subtle in making my point.<br><br>Which point? Sorry, but not everybody is into prose, some people are engineers<br>and simply want straight words.<br><br>> If you are criticizing the activities of Afrinic, take it up
discreetly<br>> with Afrinic. The "Court of Public Opinion" is not a place for a fair<br>> "fight."<br><br>It is a problem with AfriNIC that has an effect globally.<br><br>It is not a fight, it is public questioning. If you want to ignore it, then<br>ignore it.<br><br>> I don't like the precedent of accusing an RIR of a misdoing and asking<br>> them to publicly defend themselves. The RIR's operate in a delicate<br>> balance of both openness in policy development and resource registration<br>> and confidentiality in handling and judging the worthiness of requests.<br><br>That openness is not there when a RIR makes up their own rules without asking<br>their membership. Or did I miss the superinternal memo that is not supposed to<br>be public in the first place?<br><br>> Working in a environment of openness, confidentiality, and neutrality is<br>> difficult. You cannot defend yourself to the fullest because of
the<br>> limits of what can be, what can not be, and what might otherwise be<br>> implied.<br>> <br>> Plus this is the ARIN mailing list.<br><br>Stop thinking in your little American box. Or is the war in Iraq something<br>that does not happen in the US and thus not relevant? To pull something in<br>that also shows that local decisions have global effects.<br><br>>> Then please try to explain me why I saw this recently:<br>>> 2001:42c8::/32 Canada TGB-V6-AFRICA<br>> <br>> I believe that question is wholly inappropriate for this list.<br>> Especially for this list. (In the pulic meetings, our chair doesn't<br>> tolerate personal "accusations" either, something I was heartened to<br>> witness in April.)<br><br>If you try to say "Shut up" to me then either:<br> - simply say on this list<br> - simply say so by sending a private message<br><br>And I am very sure that ARIN staff and other people
are also very able to<br>provide me with a similar message when needed very quickly.<br><br>Please bring arguments along, they tend to help.<br><br>I brought that up as a note to show you *WHY* it was appropriate to bring<br>these matters up on the PPML mailinglist as policies and decisions happening<br>in other regions *DO* affect ARIN.<br><br>Let me repeat again, that I have NOTHING against that 2001:42c8::/32<br>assignment which is really a good thing and very well justified.<br><br>It only demonstrates that Address Policy is a global thing, not something<br>local. Organizations are global and the Internet is global.<br>Policies and laws etc are not but they do affect us globally.<br><br><br>And in case you don't like me mailing, then simply block all mail from<br>jeroen@unfix.org, which is always nicely PGP signed, thus should be very easy<br>to block in your MUA or even MTA.<br><br>Greets,<br>
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