[ppml] Authentication of Legacy Resources

[Keith Medcalf]

> >> Likewise, I don't see much purpose in discussing carrots until
> >> ARIN does some outreach to at least make legacy holders
> >> aware of ARIN and give them an opportunity to join on the
> >> existing terms.

> > Actually, ARIN *has* done that, on March 14th.  That's why I'm here:

> >>>You are receiving this message because you are a registered
> >>>Point of Contact (POC) with ARIN and are not subscribed by
> >>>this e-mail address (jhg at omsys.com) to the ARIN Public
> >>>Policy Mailing List (PPML). ARIN invites you to join the PPML.

That is why I'm here too.  Mind you, I have had to update my rDNS delegations a couple of times over the years (twice maybe thrice in 12 years), so I am (and always have been) familiar with ARIN.  It just didn't/doesn't seem very relevant.

> > I appreciate that ARIN staff took that initiative.  There are
> > probably quite a few of us old-timers here lurking, listening
> > to the dialogue with varying degrees of disbelief and horror.
> > And occasional glimmers of hope...  ;-)

:)


> It's rather rare for an email address to be valid for that long, 
> and even rarer that that person would still be the appropriate 
> person for ARIN to be contacting.

Really?  My e-mail address hasn't changed in a long time -- it was the same back when e-mail transport was via UUCP over 9600 baud modems.  Of course, the routing and connection method has changed (and especially the transport bandwidth) ... and disk-to-disk times are now measured in milliseconds around the globe instead of days.   


> >>We've heard from legacy holders here that want to join and can't
> >>figure out how,

> > I'm one of those.  The $100 a year isn't a showstopper, though
> > it's about what I pay for *ten* domain registrations,

Ditto.

> That $100/yr is for an unlimited number of end-user (i.e. non-LIR) 
> registrations.  Perhaps that's not the appropriate fee model 
> either, but it's not quite fair to compare it to domains, where you
> pay per registration.

I only have *one* ip4 /24 PI registration.  I do not want any more, though I would want *one* ipv6 minimum-size PI.  But that IPv6 space is not going to come from ARIN with their current policies and thus, ARIN is, once again, relegated to irrelevance -- at least to me.

> > but the mechanism is invisible.  Apply for what I already have?
> > Uh, no, that seems impossible.  And I don't need any more, thank
> > you.
 
> That's a big hole right now.  See below.
 
> > My contact info is up to date.  If things got desperate, I
> > probably would return two or three /26s to help out.

Ditto.  Out of my *ONE* /24  (which is not publicly multihomed -- that is, it is only single-homed on the Internet)
 

So, in summary, ARIN provides almost no useful services to me -- and certainly none which are worth US$100 per year.  I am required to keep my registration information updated, which I do and it is even though it has *not* changed, other than the rDNS delegations, since before the formation of ARIN.

The only valuable service that ARIN could provide would be some IPv6 PI space but that is unlikely to come to pass, as far as I can see as I am not qualified for it or I would have to dissemble my way to it (not likely).

I do *not* sign lock-in contracts.  If you suck I want the option to immediately tell you when to go shove yourself and NOT pay you any more money.  This applies to telcos, Cell Carriers, CableCos, Internet Carriers, etc.  I do *NOT* do "specials" (free calling for the first six months and for the rest of the three year contract you will be ripped off at every turn).  I do NOT want PA space -- that is fine for little rubber people who use gmail, but not for me.

Because of this it is extremely unlikely that I will touch IPv6 before IPv4 runout (or quite likely, afterwards either) except if it is though someone else's network.  I am simply not interested in subjecting myself to the vagaries of dealing with the brain-dead and the incompetent (having PI space is fantastic for weeding out the incompetent).

So, if ARIN cannot provide any useful services I don't see any need to give them any money.  And if they want to try to extort money for nothing, lawsuits can be fun!

It is entertaining to watch all you budding gangsters try to figure out how to put over your petty extortion schemes and protection rackets however.  One word of advice though -- you should keep you criminal conspiring in private and not published where it can be used as evidence against you.