[ppml] ARIN member in good standing?

[Divins, David]

I would hope a reclaimed block would be listed as a Bogon (by say,
Cymru) or unassigned by ARIN.

This should make it to enough filters to make the routing spotty.

-dsd

David Divins
Principal Engineer
ServerVault Corp.
(703) 652-5955
-----Original Message-----
From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of
Aaron Dudek
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:33 PM
To: Michael.Dillon at btradianz.com
Cc: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ppml] ARIN member in good standing?

ARIN cannot enforce routing policy to the ISPs. They can ask and hope
the ISPs will comply. ARIN has no hold over any ISP who depends on
another RIR.
>From what I understand, if a member falls out of good standing, then 
>they
can no longer get any services from ARIN including IPs, transfers, etc.
With IPv6, why would anyone need too?
I think I may have pulled this out of scope of the original discussion.

Aaron Dudek
(703) 689-6879
Sprintlink Engineering
adudek at sprint.net


On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, Michael.Dillon at btradianz.com wrote:

>> What happens when ARIN can no longer contact them or if they have
> decided
>> to cut contact with ARIN?
>
> Now you are asking a more general question unrelated to 2006-2. If 
> ARIN issues AS numbers or IP addresses to an organization and that 
> organization ceases to pay ARIN subscription fees then that 
> organization is failing to fulfil its social contract with the ARIN 
> community. Many organizations which are run by members have the 
> concept of "member in good standing" and when a member ceases to be in

> good standing, either by failing to pay fees or for some other reason,

> the organization removes membership benefits and eventual unilateraly 
> discharges the member.
>
> Does the ARIN RSA make this social contract into a legal contract? If 
> not, then should it?
>
> Quite frankly, I don't have the answers but I think that before we can

> deal with the issue of organizations losing contact, we need to be 
> clear on what is the social contract between individual numbering 
> resource users and the community of numbering resource users.
> I think ARIN fairly represents the community and therefore if any 
> social contract is cast into a legal contract, ARIN should be the 
> legal representative of the community.
> But I don't believe that we have openly discussed this issue in terms 
> of a social contract before. Many people believe that the recipient of

> numbering resources also acquires some obligations along with them, 
> but we have not expressed this in a general and comprehensive way 
> before.
>
> Today, the unspoken social contract is enforced in secret largely 
> because organizations know that they will likely have to return to 
> ARIN for numbering resources multiple times. After the migration to 
> IPv6, most organizations will not need additional numbering resources 
> from ARIN and unless the unspoken social contract becomes embodied in 
> legal contracts and written ARIN policies, there will be no incentive 
> to meet the obligations of the contract.
>
> --Michael Dillon
>
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