[ppml] ARIN member in good standing?

[Aaron Dudek]

I don't think you need to have a licence to be an ISP.
Doesn't the proposed model charge an entity more than once if a subscriber 
is multihomed?

Aaron Dudek
(703) 689-6879
Sprintlink Engineering
adudek at sprint.net


On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, Peter Sherbin wrote:

>> Many people believe that the recipient of numbering resources also
>> acquires some obligations along with them
>
> Many people believing something do not necessarily make that thing to be true. As a
> user of a postal address I feel no obligations to the Postal Service. Contrary to
> that I expect the postal service to deliver my prepaid message in a timely and
> secure fashion.
>
> The Internet is an electronic version of a global postal service. As such it should
> move to a proper financial model where each delivery is paid for according to its
> volume and destination.
>
> Here is a proposed model:
> PI addresses
> RIR invoices every entity with telecommunications licence in the region a per
> sibscriber fee to cover admin expenses
> Regional issuer of telecom licenses determines the fee amount as well as makes such
> fee a condition of the license (don't mean to regulate the Internet but please share
> your comments)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter Sherbin
>
>
> --- Michael.Dillon at btradianz.com wrote:
>
>>> What happens when ARIN can no longer contact them or if they have
>> decided
>>> to cut contact with ARIN?
>>
>> Now you are asking a more general question unrelated
>> to 2006-2. If ARIN issues AS numbers or IP addresses
>> to an organization and that organization ceases to
>> pay ARIN subscription fees then that organization is
>> failing to fulfil its social contract with the ARIN
>> community. Many organizations which are run by members
>> have the concept of "member in good standing" and when
>> a member ceases to be in good standing, either by failing
>> to pay fees or for some other reason, the organization
>> removes membership benefits and eventual unilateraly
>> discharges the member.
>>
>> Does the ARIN RSA make this social contract into
>> a legal contract? If not, then should it?
>>
>> Quite frankly, I don't have the answers but I think
>> that before we can deal with the issue of organizations
>> losing contact, we need to be clear on what is the
>> social contract between individual numbering resource
>> users and the community of numbering resource users.
>> I think ARIN fairly represents the community and therefore
>> if any social contract is cast into a legal contract,
>> ARIN should be the legal representative of the community.
>> But I don't believe that we have openly discussed this
>> issue in terms of a social contract before. Many people
>> believe that the recipient of numbering resources also
>> acquires some obligations along with them, but we have
>> not expressed this in a general and comprehensive way
>> before.
>>
>> Today, the unspoken social contract is enforced in secret
>> largely because organizations know that they will likely
>> have to return to ARIN for numbering resources multiple
>> times. After the migration to IPv6, most organizations
>> will not need additional numbering resources from ARIN and
>> unless the unspoken social contract becomes embodied in
>> legal contracts and written ARIN policies, there will be
>> no incentive to meet the obligations of the contract.
>>
>> --Michael Dillon
>>
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