[ppml] 2005-1 status

[Bill Darte]

> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I think we do need to consider alternate routing methods and 
> network technologies, but I think that they need to developed 
> in the appropriate forum (IETF)  and implemented by the 
> appropriate folks (network operators).  

Of course.  Routing protocols are no more an ARIN issue than addressing
policy is an IETF issue.
What I ask is...is it likely in the next 15 years to have a scalable routing
protocol that makes the issue of PI addressing of end-sites mute?  25 years?

>I think we need to 
> make sure that ARIN policy supports the existing network 
> technologies, without inhibiting future innovation.  To that 
> end, I think that IPv6 PI space is necessary for the same 
> folks that need IPv4 PI space (so they can migrate from IPv4 
> to IPv6 with minimal changes to their network), but that 
> non-PI multihoming techniques (advertising PA space into BGP, 
> using shim6, or any other new multihoming
> method) should be preferred for folks without a compelling 
> need for provider independent addresses.  IMO that compelling 
> need is directly related to the difficulty of renumbering 
> when changing providers, which is large for the types of 
> organizations that currently get IPv4 PI space, and small for 
> most of the folks who don't.
> 
> -Scott
> 

Are there no other compelling reasons to need...desire... PI space?
If it really IS simply renumbering, then 


> On 01/24/06 at 5:18pm -0600, Bill Darte <billd at cait.wustl.edu> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > We should at least learn some lessons from previous routing 
> > scalability problems.  Personally, I do not believe the 
> routing table 
> > growth problem will ever be solved until we separate the routing 
> > identifier from the end system identifier.  However, until that is 
> > done, we have to look at IPv6 as it stands.
> >
> >
> > Owen, so OK the conversation continues to be about changing address 
> > policy and shim6 and deagregations and .....
> >
> > Why is GBP sacrosanct?  Is there no better method of routing large 
> > scale networks?  You mention a technique above.  Is this a 
> legitimate 
> > pursuit? Are there others?  Does the problem we keep arguing about 
> > need to be solved with tweaks? Seems everything  is about 
> preserving 
> > the BGP routing tables....isn't there a routing fix?
> >
> > bd
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