[ppml] Deaggregation in the ARIN region Was: [nanog] The Cidr Report

[Bruce Eastman]

> Jon is right.  Deaggregation is not a laughing matter. Its poor management
> at least from a netizens point of view....


Well, the warning advisory in and of itself was meant to interject a little
humor, but the idea
was serious. ARIN submits an e-mail message to the customer, with each
allocation.
I think John's idea of adding a short paragraph and direction to a few links
was a very good
idea. I believe the message sent out with each allocation would be a good
place to add said
links and paragraph.

Bruce Eastman



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Darte" <billd at cait.wustl.edu>
To: "'Bruce Eastman '" <bruce.eastman at adelphia.com>; <owner-ppml at arin.net>;
<ppml at arin.net>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [ppml] Deaggregation in the ARIN region Was: [nanog] The Cidr
Report


> Jon is right.  Deaggregation is not a laughing matter. Its poor management
> at least from a netizens point of view....
>
> Still, you advisory below is a hoot!  I like it.
>
> Bill Darte
>
>
> Bruce Eastman said:
>
>
> Maybe ARIN should add a Warning label. :)
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>
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> WARNING - DANGER - READ THIS & HEED THIS!
>
>
>
> WARNING: THIS IS NOT A TOY. THIS IP IS DESIGNED FOR USE BY EXPERIENCED
> NETWORKING PERSONNEL AND IS INTENDED
>
>  FOR USE BY AN EXPERT IN ROUTING. THESE IP'S ARE INTENDED FOR USE SOLELY
> BY
> SENIOR NETWORK ENGINEER TYPES
>
> ( WITH NECESSARY SAFETY EQUIPMENT ). NO OTHER USE IS INTENDED OR
> RECOMMENDED. ILLEGAL TO OWN, PURCHASE OR
>
> TRANSFER BY ANYONE OTHER THAN ARIN OR OUTSIDE THE TERMS AFOREMENTIONED.
> MISUSE OR CARELESS USE MAY CAUSE
>
> SERIOUS ROUTING DEAGGREGATION. READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USING.
>
>
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>
> Bruce Eastman
> Senior IP Analyst
> Adelphia Communications
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Lewis" <jlewis at lewis.org>
> To: "Andrew Dul" <andrew.dul at quark.net>
> Cc: <ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Deaggregation in the ARIN region Was: [nanog] The
> Cidr
> Report
>
>
> > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Andrew Dul wrote:
> >
> > > I was wondering if people in the ARIN region agreed with these
> statements
> > > about the ARIN region not doing enough to educate the membership
> about
> > > deaggregation, BGP annoucements etc...
> > >
> > > If ARIN were to do more what would you suggest?
> > >
> > > 1. More/Better online training
> > > 2. Regional Training session (similar to RIPE?)
> >
> > Whether or not ARIN actually did any training courses, it would be
> nice to
> > see some info on BCPs for BGP routing in the training section of the
> ARIN
> > web site rather than just "how to use whois" and "how to jump through
> the
> > hoops to get IP space".
> >
> > Too many networks deaggregate their announcements for no reason simply
> > because they don't realize there's any reason they shouldn't.
> >
> > Covering things like route filtering (i.e. not leaking provider A's
> routes
> > to provider B) would be nice.  Might even mention the use of routing
> > registries (radb, altdb, ARIN's own one, etc.).
> >
> > To make a bad analogy, right now, ARIN's like a gun shop selling guns
> with
> > no manuals and no safety literature.  Not everyone who's buying knows
> how
> > to use them safely.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  Jon Lewis                   |  I route
> >  Senior Network Engineer     |  therefore you are
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