[ppml] Policy Proposal 2003-15: IPv4 Allocation Policy for the Africa Portion of the ARIN Region

[Mury]

Ok,

I can't watch any more.  Some of these comments are frankly making me view
the African request in a new light... not a good one.

I suggest keeping these comments to yourself for your own sake.  Now that
Owen wants to make *your* special requirement request a global policy you
attack him.

It seems to me that this 2003-15 request by Africans is about being
special, since now that someone (Owen) thinks the policy (2003-15) is good
for everyone, it's not good enough for them any more.

I was starting to lean toward voicing my support for 2003-15, but after
this last batch of comments, I'm completely turned off.

Mury



On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 mlawrie at zanet.co.za wrote:

> I find this attitude quite appalling, and think that Alan Levin put
> it exactly right wrt the "dragging down" analogy.
>
> If there is a need throughout ARIN's main region of control (USA) to
> have a change in policy, then propose it and let it stand or fall on
> the merits of the arguments. But it is a really sick dog-in-the-
> manger approach to set about blocking another proposal for another
> region (Southern Africa) that has had, without choice, to fall under
> ARIN's control and therefore has had to comply with some policies
> that are not appropriate for that latter region.
>
> Mike
>
> > Alan,
> >  I take some offense to your statement.  I am not opposed to smaller
> > IP block allocations.  I am not opposed to economic empowerment in
> > Africa. I am not in favor of the apartheid regime or system.
> >
> >  I do think that this policy is needed, but, I think it is needed
> > globally.  I also think that it is a political reality that if this
> > policy is created as an exception for a portion of Africa, that will
> > be used as an excuse by large(r) providers in North America to claim
> > that it isn't needed in North America.  Given the historical dominance
> > of large(r) North American providers in ARIN politics, I do not
> > believe this problem will get solved for all of ARIN if an exception
> > is granted.
> >
> >  This isn't about dragging anyone down.  It's not about racism.
> > It's certainly not a desire to victimize Africa.  It's about making a
> > policy which is needed throughout the ARIN region available throughout
> > the ARIN region instead of for some small sub-region within the ARIN
> > region.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >
> > --On Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:17 PM +0200 Alan Levin
> > <alan at futureperfect.co.za> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, Sep 25, 2003, at 09:50 Africa/Johannesburg, Johann
> > > Botha wrote:
> > >> Hi Owen
> > >> > @2003.09.25_03:53:39_+0200
> > >>> However, there are non-African ramifications to ARIN adopting
> > >>> 2003-15 which I believe override the desire to provide this
> > >>> solution for Africa.  I believe 2003-15 represents a good policy
> > >>> with one flaw.  It is Africa specific.  As long as it is Africa
> > >>> specific, I will vote against it. If 2003-15 is amended to cover
> > >>> all of ARIN, I will vote for it.  I will vote for 2002-3.
> > >>
> > >> this reminds me of the story of a guy with an open basket full of
> > >> crayfish. somebody asked him if he wasn't worried that the crayfish
> > >> would escape.. no, he replied, as soon as one makes it to the top,
> > >> the others will drag him back down.
> > >
> > > This story reminds me of how I was indoctrinated to think by the
> > > apartheid regime.
> > >
> > > South Africans are fortunate to be in the position to understand how
> > > economic empowerment balances the playing field (as an attempt to
> > > bridge the digital divide) in the development of information society
> > > and the (hopefully global) knowledge economy.
> > >
> > > warm regards,
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Mike Lawrie.
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