[ppml] The WIANA registry

[Schultz, Ken]

I think that my point was a little different. If you consider the
requirements of the justification process and what it would take to justify
utilization of a /8, these are not trivial tasks. Right now, they may not be
big enough to justify usage of a /20 much less a /8. (I don't know, and I
don't think it matters much). Let's assume that they eventually GROW to be
large enough to justify large chunks of address space, even though they are
likely not that big today.

Now assume that we reach the day where WIANA has indeed applied, gone
through the process, and have justified a /8. Now, when the decision is to
be made regarding which /8 to give them, does it really matter all that much
WHICH /8 they receive? Does 1/8 really have that much more intrinsic value
than 122/8. I don't think so.

If they receive 122/8 and whine because they didn't get 1/8, why would
anyone care about the whining? Will there be a spot on the justification
form for "Will you whine about our answer? How much?"

If they justify address space and it's not a /8, and they whine, does anyone
care about that either?

I'm sorry if it sounds like I am oversimplifying the problem, but sometimes
the problem really is that simple.

I don't think that IANA/ARIN/et al should assign the 1/8 without a
justification process. Nor do I think that they should now reserve the 1/8
in order to possibly fill WIANA's future request. They should just go about
their normal paperwork handling procedures, and assignment procedures, as if
they had never seen WIANA's website.

If every mom and pop network is able to justify address space as big as a
/8, then fine. Perhaps that will push IPv6 adequately. 

Actually, what are the ramifications if hijacking became commonplace?
Remember we are only talking about address space that has been applied for
and justified. It sounds like we'd potentially be looking at another swamp.
But is this really a concern when we are talking about /8's ?



-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Py [mailto:michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:51 PM
To: Schultz, Ken; ppml at arin.net
Subject: RE: [ppml] The WIANA registry


Ken,

> Ken Schultz wrote:
> However, IF they do follow the proper process to request address
> space AND they can actually justify through that the process the
> assignment of a full /8 network, then who gets hurt by giving them
> the address space that they are already using? 

This is what the problem is:

1. If they are assigned later the space they hijacked, this legitimates
hijacking and the next thing you know every mom and pop network on earth
is going to hijack address space and try to get it legitimized. Hey, why
not me too?

2. If they are not assigned the space and 1.0.0.0/8 is delegated to
someone else they're going to whine about IANA or ARIN or whoever being
that all-mighty evil entity that does not understand the need of the
people blah blah.

That's a lose-lose situation. If they could justify the space they
should have requested it in the first place instead of hijacking it.

Michel.