[ppml] A proposal to modify proposal 2003-9 (WHOIS and INADDR access)

[John M. Brown]

well you dont' want some clown hammering the FTP server as
well and thus needs some simple way of controlling that
via policy.

i believe the DNS provider for ARIN can and does throttle
/ limit access for those that abuse the system.  I'm quite
sure they have the technical means to do it as needed.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: richardj at arin.net; ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [ppml] A proposal to modify proposal 2003-9 
> (WHOIS and INADDR access)
> 
> 
> I don't see a need for an AUP given that the data is all 
> publicly available by hammering the name servers.  Unlike the 
> whois servers which can easily be throttled, the nameservers 
> would degrade service to legitimate users.  Personally, I 
> think a .tar.gz of the zone files would be quite adequate.  
> FTP and/or HTTP is fine.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
> --On Tuesday, June 10, 2003 17:08 -0400 Richard Jimmerson 
> <richardj at arin.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hello John,
> >
> >> > ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/zones
> >> because that URL does not provide complete data and
> >> is only for a specific project, per richardj (6-6-03).
> >
> > Yes.  Information published at this location is in support
> > of the Early Registration Transfer (ERX) project.  We only publish 
> > zone information there for which we are generating merged 
> zone files.  
> > The information is there for the RIRs and to allow 
> participants from 
> > the merged zones to verify that their data is getting 
> merged properly.  
> > As new /8s are included in the ERX project, information is 
> published 
> > to the ftp directory cited above.
> >
> > Would a gz file of the reversed mapped domains that ARIN manages 
> > available on an FTP site meet your needs?  Do you think 
> there should 
> > be an AUP for this?
> >
> > Richard Jimmerson
> > Director of Operations
> > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of 
> >> John M. Brown
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:13 AM
> >> To: william at elan.net
> >> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> >> Subject: RE: [ppml] A proposal to modify proposal 2003-9 
> (WHOIS and 
> >> INADDR access)
> >>
> >>
> >> because that URL does not provide complete data and
> >> is only for a specific project, per richardj (6-6-03).
> >>
> >> research the allocated space as listed at 
> >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> >>
> >> and you will find the ftp site is missing a good chuck
> >> of space.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] 
> On Behalf Of 
> >> > william at elan.net
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:44 PM
> >> > To: John M. Brown
> >> > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> >> > Subject: Re: [ppml] A proposal to modify proposal 2003-9 
> (WHOIS and 
> >> > INADDR access)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Why do you need policy for providing in-addr data as 
> bulk? I think 
> >> > ARIN already provides this all publicly as it, see
> >> > ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/zones
> >> >
> >> > Do you need something more then
> >> > that?
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, John M. Brown wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > 3. A policy for bulk WHOIS and or ARIN INADDR access will
> >> > be published
> >> > > on
> >> > >    ARIN website as follows:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Access to the entire WHOIS or ARIN INADDR database or
> >> > large portion
> >> > > of
> >> > > it may be obtained by any organization or individual
> >> > provided that this
> >> > > organization or individual agrees in writing to ARIN 
> WHOIS/INADDR 
> >> > > Acceptable Use Policy. WHOIS or ARIN INADDR data provided
> >> under bulk
> >> > WHOIS access
> >> > > will not include any information that is marked as private.
> >> > >
> >> > > Access to WHOIS/INADDR data may be by way of:
> >> > >
> >> > > Individual WHOIS/DNS queries
> >> > >
> >> > > FTP or other type of download
> >> > >
> >> > > Hard media distribution (such as CDROM)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > -----
> >> > >
> >> > > Given that ARIN now has policy  2002-1 Lame In-addr,
> >> > providing access
> >> > > to the in-addr view that ARIN has would be useful for the 
> >> > > internet operational and research community, and help 
> reduce lame
> >> > issues.  This
> >> > > access would allow service providers access to the
> >> IN-ADDR tree and
> >> > > allow them to self verify what deligations they are listed as 
> >> > > authoritative for.  It would allow the research community
> >> a better
> >> > > source of data for research and other activities.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > respectfully,
> >> > >
> >> > > john brown
> >> >
> >>
> >
> 
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