[ppml] A proposal to modify proposal 2003-9 (WHOIS and INADDR access)

[John M. Brown]

Yes a .GZ file called  arin.inaddr.zone.gz  accessible
via FTP and updated daily would be perfect.

I believe that an AUP is in order to protect ARIN's 
systems from abuse and to allow ARIN the ability to 
prevent someone continuing to abuse.

Attachment 14 or N of the gTLD ICANN Registry Agreement seems
reasonable to me.

As an example.
http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/org/registry-agmt-appn-22oct02.htm

Whats nice about this agreement is that its ongoing.  Don't need
to sign an agreement each time you want the data.  Would be nice
if the WHOIS data had an annual agreement that way you don't
have to request each and every time.

This agreement gives ARIN the ability to terminate access should
someone start doing things not permitted in the agreement, and
the ability to restrict access to once per day.

I'd hate to see someone slam the FTP server with down load 
requests every hour.  

Part of the issue here, I think, is that by having a clear
and simple AUP, everyone knows what the rules are and there
can't be any (well can't is a strong word ;))  finger
waving if someone is yanked from the system.

Having no policy could create the issue of a decision being
arbitrary, that's worse, IMHO.



Let me know when I can get that GZ file :)

john brown

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Jimmerson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:08 PM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [ppml] A proposal to modify proposal 2003-9 
> (WHOIS and INADDR access)
> 
> 
> Hello John,
> 
> > > ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/zones
> > because that URL does not provide complete data and
> > is only for a specific project, per richardj (6-6-03).
> 
> Yes.  Information published at this location is in support 
> of the Early Registration Transfer (ERX) project.  We only 
> publish zone information there for which we are generating 
> merged zone files.  The information is there for the RIRs 
> and to allow participants from the merged zones to verify 
> that their data is getting merged properly.  As new /8s are 
> included in the ERX project, information is published to the 
> ftp directory cited above.
> 
> Would a gz file of the reversed mapped domains that ARIN 
> manages available on an FTP site meet your needs?  Do you 
> think there should be an AUP for this?
> 
> Richard Jimmerson
> Director of Operations
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On
> > Behalf Of John M. Brown
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:13 AM
> > To: william at elan.net
> > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: RE: [ppml] A proposal to modify proposal 2003-9 
> > (WHOIS and INADDR access)
> > 
> > 
> > because that URL does not provide complete data and
> > is only for a specific project, per richardj (6-6-03).
> > 
> > research the allocated space as listed at
> > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> > 
> > and you will find the ftp site is missing a good chuck
> > of space.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of 
> > > william at elan.net
> > > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:44 PM
> > > To: John M. Brown
> > > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> > > Subject: Re: [ppml] A proposal to modify proposal 2003-9
> > > (WHOIS and INADDR access)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Why do you need policy for providing in-addr data as 
> bulk? I think 
> > > ARIN already provides this all publicly as it, see
> > > ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/zones
> > > 
> > > Do you need something more then
> > > that?
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, John M. Brown wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 3. A policy for bulk WHOIS and or ARIN INADDR access will
> > > be published
> > > > on
> > > >    ARIN website as follows:
> > > > 
> > > > "Access to the entire WHOIS or ARIN INADDR database or
> > > large portion
> > > > of
> > > > it may be obtained by any organization or individual
> > > provided that this
> > > > organization or individual agrees in writing to ARIN 
> WHOIS/INADDR
> > > > Acceptable Use Policy. WHOIS or ARIN INADDR data provided 
> > under bulk
> > > WHOIS access
> > > > will not include any information that is marked as private.
> > > > 
> > > > Access to WHOIS/INADDR data may be by way of:
> > > > 
> > > > Individual WHOIS/DNS queries
> > > > 
> > > > FTP or other type of download
> > > > 
> > > > Hard media distribution (such as CDROM)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----
> > > > 
> > > > Given that ARIN now has policy  2002-1 Lame In-addr,
> > > providing access
> > > > to the in-addr view that ARIN has would be useful for 
> the internet 
> > > > operational and research community, and help reduce lame
> > > issues.  This
> > > > access would allow service providers access to the
> > IN-ADDR tree and
> > > > allow them to self verify what deligations they are listed as
> > > > authoritative for.  It would allow the research community 
> > a better
> > > > source of data for research and other activities.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > respectfully,
> > > > 
> > > > john brown
> > > 
> > 
>