Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: [ppml] ARIN Policy Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)

[Mury]

Let's face it, some people are jerks, some people are lazy, some people
don't care, but there are probably quite a few that just don't know.

I still think an inexpensive campaign over a year would wield some good
results.  Do a little research and find the correct contact person at each
entity and send them a letter once a quarter based on RFC 1917 with
revised allocation data.

Target 1000 of the top potential entities with probable unused space.  
Maybe 5-10 letters to each one.  Follow up with a phone call or two.  
That can't cost more than $5-20K to research, setup, print, and mail.

Why not try?  We probably wasted more money than that in lost productivity
writing and sending all these emails.

Mury

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Trevor Paquette wrote:

> I stand corrected.. many examples of good netizens.
> 
> They are unfortunately, more the exception then the rule.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lee Howard [mailto:lee.howard at wcom.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:25 PM
> > To: Trevor Paquette
> > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: RE: Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: [ppml] ARIN
> > Policy Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)
> > 
> > 
> > The one time I had an unused, unaggregatable /16, I returned it.  Not 
> > for publicity, not because of Chapter 11, but because I wanted to be a
> > good citizen.
> > 
> > "I" means "me, in my capacity as IP Guy for UUNET or WorldCom."
> > 
> > Lee
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Trevor Paquette wrote:
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:24:04 -0600
> > > From: Trevor Paquette <Trevor.Paquette at TeraGo.ca>
> > > To: 'Mury' <mury at goldengate.net>, sigma at smx.pair.com
> > > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> > > Subject: RE: Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: [ppml] ARIN
> > >     Policy Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)
> > > 
> > > Actually.. I would be willing to bet just about any amount 
> > of money that
> > > no-one would 'voluntarily' return unused IP space. If a 
> > company has it.. they are going to keep it. Period. I 
> > challenge someone to prove otherwise..
> > > 
> > > Chapter 11, etc. does not count; these are companies who 
> > are doing well. Try to encourage them to return their unused 
> > IP space..
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net]On 
> > > > Behalf Of Mury
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:25 PM
> > > > To: sigma at smx.pair.com
> > > > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> > > > Subject: Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: 
> > [ppml] ARIN Policy
> > > > Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Speaking of which, I've seen this encouraging language come 
> > > > up a lot over
> > > > the last couple years.
> > > > 
> > > > It seems to me that "encouraging" takes more than talking 
> > > > about it on some
> > > > mailling list.  What has ARIN done to encourage the return of IP
> > > > space?  It seems to me that it wouldn't hurt to pay someone 
> > > > to make some
> > > > phone calls again.
> > > > 
> > > > In fact, it seems that Jim wants a piece of the ARIN money 
> > > > pot, so maybe
> > > > ARIN could contract with him to "encourage" the return of 
> > > > that wasted IP
> > > > space... half joking.
> > > > 
> > > > ARIN should draft a policy or something similiar that 
> > addresses this
> > > > wasted IP space.  It probably shouldn't be a policy because 
> > > > you don't want
> > > > unenforable policies, but there should be something.  And 
> > then there
> > > > should be a little bit of money set aside to contact these 
> > > > space holders.
> > > > 
> > > > Mury
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 sigma at smx.pair.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Why not make policy so that the current holders of 
> > > > multiple /8-24s have
> > > > > > to renumber then (the ones that do not meet the current 
> > > > criteria)?  That
> > > > > > would certainly yield same additional address space, 
> > wouldn`t it?
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's much, much easier to set policy going forward than it 
> > > > is to impose and
> > > > > enforce policy retroactively.  When you're talking about 
> > > > allocations that
> > > > > predate ARIN, how exactly is ARIN supposed to take action?  
> > > > ARIN should
> > > > > focus on the best possible management of the remaining IP 
> > > > space, while
> > > > > encouraging and requesting that companies with legacy 
> > > > assignments return
> > > > > them whenever possible.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
>