Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: [ppml] ARIN Policy Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)

[Sweeting, John]

There has been address space recovered through previous efforts.....ARIN
staff would be the best place to get exact results. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor Paquette [mailto:Trevor.Paquette at TeraGo.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:24 PM
To: 'Mury'; sigma at smx.pair.com
Cc: ppml at arin.net
Subject: RE: Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: [ppml] ARIN
Policy Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)


Actually.. I would be willing to bet just about any amount of money that
no-one would 'voluntarily' return unused IP space. If a company has it..
they are going to keep it. Period. I challenge someone to prove otherwise..

Chapter 11, etc. does not count; these are companies who are doing well. Try
to encourage them to return their unused IP space..


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net]On 
> Behalf Of Mury
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:25 PM
> To: sigma at smx.pair.com
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: [ppml] ARIN Policy
> Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)
> 
> 
> 
> Speaking of which, I've seen this encouraging language come 
> up a lot over
> the last couple years.
> 
> It seems to me that "encouraging" takes more than talking 
> about it on some
> mailling list.  What has ARIN done to encourage the return of IP
> space?  It seems to me that it wouldn't hurt to pay someone 
> to make some
> phone calls again.
> 
> In fact, it seems that Jim wants a piece of the ARIN money 
> pot, so maybe
> ARIN could contract with him to "encourage" the return of 
> that wasted IP
> space... half joking.
> 
> ARIN should draft a policy or something similiar that addresses this
> wasted IP space.  It probably shouldn't be a policy because 
> you don't want
> unenforable policies, but there should be something.  And then there
> should be a little bit of money set aside to contact these 
> space holders.
> 
> Mury
> 
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 sigma at smx.pair.com wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > Why not make policy so that the current holders of 
> multiple /8-24s have
> > > to renumber then (the ones that do not meet the current 
> criteria)?  That
> > > would certainly yield same additional address space, wouldn`t it?
> > 
> > It's much, much easier to set policy going forward than it 
> is to impose and
> > enforce policy retroactively.  When you're talking about 
> allocations that
> > predate ARIN, how exactly is ARIN supposed to take action?  
> ARIN should
> > focus on the best possible management of the remaining IP 
> space, while
> > encouraging and requesting that companies with legacy 
> assignments return
> > them whenever possible.
> > 
> > Kevin
> > 
>