Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: [ppml] ARIN Policy Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)

[Trevor Paquette]

I stand corrected.. many examples of good netizens.

They are unfortunately, more the exception then the rule.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Howard [mailto:lee.howard at wcom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:25 PM
> To: Trevor Paquette
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: [ppml] ARIN
> Policy Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)
> 
> 
> The one time I had an unused, unaggregatable /16, I returned it.  Not 
> for publicity, not because of Chapter 11, but because I wanted to be a
> good citizen.
> 
> "I" means "me, in my capacity as IP Guy for UUNET or WorldCom."
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Trevor Paquette wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:24:04 -0600
> > From: Trevor Paquette <Trevor.Paquette at TeraGo.ca>
> > To: 'Mury' <mury at goldengate.net>, sigma at smx.pair.com
> > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: RE: Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: [ppml] ARIN
> >     Policy Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)
> > 
> > Actually.. I would be willing to bet just about any amount 
> of money that
> > no-one would 'voluntarily' return unused IP space. If a 
> company has it.. they are going to keep it. Period. I 
> challenge someone to prove otherwise..
> > 
> > Chapter 11, etc. does not count; these are companies who 
> are doing well. Try to encourage them to return their unused 
> IP space..
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ppml at arin.net [mailto:owner-ppml at arin.net]On 
> > > Behalf Of Mury
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:25 PM
> > > To: sigma at smx.pair.com
> > > Cc: ppml at arin.net
> > > Subject: Encouraging return of legacy space WAS Re: 
> [ppml] ARIN Policy
> > > Proposal 2002-9 (fwd)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Speaking of which, I've seen this encouraging language come 
> > > up a lot over
> > > the last couple years.
> > > 
> > > It seems to me that "encouraging" takes more than talking 
> > > about it on some
> > > mailling list.  What has ARIN done to encourage the return of IP
> > > space?  It seems to me that it wouldn't hurt to pay someone 
> > > to make some
> > > phone calls again.
> > > 
> > > In fact, it seems that Jim wants a piece of the ARIN money 
> > > pot, so maybe
> > > ARIN could contract with him to "encourage" the return of 
> > > that wasted IP
> > > space... half joking.
> > > 
> > > ARIN should draft a policy or something similiar that 
> addresses this
> > > wasted IP space.  It probably shouldn't be a policy because 
> > > you don't want
> > > unenforable policies, but there should be something.  And 
> then there
> > > should be a little bit of money set aside to contact these 
> > > space holders.
> > > 
> > > Mury
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 sigma at smx.pair.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Why not make policy so that the current holders of 
> > > multiple /8-24s have
> > > > > to renumber then (the ones that do not meet the current 
> > > criteria)?  That
> > > > > would certainly yield same additional address space, 
> wouldn`t it?
> > > > 
> > > > It's much, much easier to set policy going forward than it 
> > > is to impose and
> > > > enforce policy retroactively.  When you're talking about 
> > > allocations that
> > > > predate ARIN, how exactly is ARIN supposed to take action?  
> > > ARIN should
> > > > focus on the best possible management of the remaining IP 
> > > space, while
> > > > encouraging and requesting that companies with legacy 
> > > assignments return
> > > > them whenever possible.
> > > > 
> > > > Kevin
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
>