corrected: Policy 2001-2, Multihoming is sufficient justifica tion for /24 from provider (fwd)

[Sweeting, John]

agree, the customer should have the ASN from ARIN before being considered
for approval under this policy by their providers.

-----Original Message-----
From: CJ Wittbrodt [mailto:cjw at duchess.groovy.com]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:04 PM
To: Sweeting, John
Cc: 'Einar Bohlin'; ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: corrected: Policy 2001-2, Multihoming is sufficient
justifica tion for /24 from provider (fwd) 



You know ISPs already get this informationfrom their customers
to determine whether they are multihomed or not and they already
give the customer a /24 based on that.  They have to provide
that justification before they can get more address space from
ARIN.  If the customer has to go to ARIN, prove it's multihoming
to get an ASN, then it should be able to use that ASN and justification
to get the block.  I think what we need is clarification of what
ARIN requires of someone requesting an ASN.  Sure someone could lie
but if they are going to they already are to get the ASN.  I suspect
that ARIN requires some proof like signed contracts, etc, to verify
that they are going to multihome.  Wouldn't that be enough?

---CJ

    From: "Sweeting, John" <John.Sweeting at teleglobe.com>
    Subject: RE: corrected: Policy 2001-2, Multihoming is sufficient
justifica
	     tion for /24 from provider (fwd)
    That would leave a big hole for anyone to say that they intend to become
    multi-homed. They should already have address space assigned to them but
    probably in a much smaller block, such as a /28 or so, and then once
they
    become multi-homed they would want a /24 so they would have a better
chance
    of not being filtered. My feeling is that they should have an ASN before
    being able to justify a /24 under this policy.
    
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Einar Bohlin [mailto:ebohlin at UU.NET]
    Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 5:40 PM
    To: ppml at arin.net
    Subject: Re: corrected: Policy 2001-2, Multihoming is sufficient
    justification for /24 from provider (fwd)
    
    
    The following requirement makes the policy unworkable
    and should be replaced:
    
    "-Customer must cite their asn as justification for address space"
      
    There's a catch-22 here in that ARIN won't give
    the customer an ASN until the customer has a net,
    and the ISP won't be able to give the customer the /24
    until the customer can show their ASN.  This
    won't work.
    
    It should be "-Customer cites intent to multihome as
    justification for address space".  This lets ARIN
    continue to do their job of registering AS numbers,
    and allows ISPs to conduct business with their customers.
    
    FYI I tried to see the original wording, but the 
    link on the ARIN main site is broken (LAST CALL:
    Policy 2001-2... points to ASO election results).
    
    Regards,
    
    Einar Bohlin
    IP Planning Analyst
    WorldCom, Inc.
    Phone: USA 703 886-7362
    email: einar.bohlin at wcom.com
    
    
    On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 01:16:18PM -0700, Barbara Roseman wrote:
    > During the ARIN Advisory Council meeting of October 30th the AC voted
to
    > accept this policy and forward it to the ARIN BOT with the following
    > amendments
    > 
    > Original Proposal:   A downstream customer's multihoming requirement
will
    >                 serve as justification for a /24 reassignment from
    >                 their upstream ISP regardless of host requirements.
    > 
    > -Customer must cite their asn as justification for address space
    > -Customer may receive space from only one of its upstream providers
    > without additional justification
    > 
    > This a last call for community comment on this policy prior to the
    > ARIN Board of Trustees review of the proposed policy. This policy
    > will be posted on the ARIN website and the ARIN Public Policy email
    > list. Please send your comments to ppml at arin.net. This last call
    > will expire on 23:59 EST 19 Nov 16, 2001.
    > 
    > 
    > ---
    > Barbara Roseman
    > Sr. Manager, FACT
    > Global Crossing
    > Office: +1 408-542-0147
    > Cell: +1 917-498-1677
    > broseman at gblx.net
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
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