[arin-discuss] ARIN billing practice

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Mon Sep 21 20:09:30 EDT 2009

John Curran wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> Spam may not be a crime in all countries that ARIN has jurisdiction  
>> over.
>> However, please keep in mind ARIN is not above the law.
> Ted -
> We're proactive, not reactive here – ARIN works closely with law  
> enforcement organizations in the region to help them understand  
> exactly what the records we keep (publicly visible and private in the  
> application process) to help support them in their enforcement  
> activities.

John, I did not mean to imply that ARIN did not do this, that was
perhaps a poor choice of wording.

> This turns out to be very important for the criminal investigations  
> that are being pursued against parties whose identity is predominantly  
> virtual.
> It's important to note that ARIN can easily reclaim IP resources from  
> parties that make fraudulent applications to ARIN, but otherwise we  
> are not in a position to reclaim resources to a party which is alleged  
> of criminal activity.  We do investigate each fraud report, but many  
> of them do not involve any misrepresentation to ARIN and hence are a  
> matter for law enforcement.

Question - if someone on the Internet e-mails ARIN with information that
is verifiable that an address block holder is bogus would ARIN follow it up?

For example, if Joe Spamfighter e-mails all master POCs of a block 
holder and they bounce, calls the phone numbers on them and gets a "this 
is a disconnected number" goes to a website on it and gets no response 
back, then complains to ARIN, would ARIN follow this up?


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