[arin-discuss] ARIN billing practice

[Jo Rhett]

It's not a question of whether or not they are spammers.   It's a  
question of whether or not they have a known bad payment history.    
Like any entity which collects money, ARIN knows who doesn't pay their  
bills.   ARIN shouldn't provide allocations to them.

On Sep 21, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Alex Ryu wrote:
> I think that doesn't fly.
> ARIN is not law enforcement agency.
> Who's going to judge whether they are really known spammers?
> With what grounds?
> It may turn ARIN into legal battle for discrimination or something  
> like that.
>
> Alex
>
>
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> ] On Behalf Of Jo Rhett
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> To: Schiller, Heather A (HeatherSkanks)
> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN billing practice
>
> There is also a much simpler change:   ARIN could refuse allocations
> to people who are known bad payers.  This will chop him off at the
> knees.
>
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 7:30 AM, Schiller, Heather A (HeatherSkanks)  
> wrote:
>> I was reading Chris Morrow's comment on Nanog - about spammers..
>>
>> "The end of the discussion was along the lines of: "Yes, we know this
>> guy is bad news, but he always comes to us with the proper paperwork
>> and
>> numbers, there's nothing in the current policy set to deny him  
>> address
>> resources. Happily though he never pays his bill after the first 12
>> months so we just reclaim whatever resources are allocated
>> then."  (yes,
>> comments about more address space ending up on BL's were made, and
>> that
>> he probably doesn't pay because after the first 3 months the address
>> space is 'worthless' to him...)"
>>
>> ..and got to wondering, "Why doesn't ARIN charge first and last years
>> "rent" on resource allocations?"
>>
>> If you notify ARIN before your bill is due, that you will be  
>> returning
>> the resource and not renewing, you get a refund.  If you don't notify
>> ARIN and your bill lapses, then ARIN isn't out the money they would
>> have
>> gotten from you, during the time they hold your resource before/ 
>> during
>> revocation for non-payment. (since most folks keep using it, you
>> should
>> still have to pay for it..)
>>
>> I'm not claiming this would make the spam thing any better.. just
>> raise
>> the financial bar, make them have to do work if they want their money
>> back.
>>
>> I don't know whether I'm even in favor of this or not.. but just  
>> about
>> every other 'utility' type service has this practice, and maybe this
>> is
>> worth considering.  Maybe there is a reason ARIN doesn't do this..?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --Heather
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> Jo Rhett
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>
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