[arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.

[Vaughn Thurman - Swift Systems]

Speak up!?

Sent from my handheld

On Jul 22, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that Microsoft used to have a class A and I'm pretty
> sure that disappeared a few years ago.
>
> Apple and HP may be in that same boat.  They may have a class B now
> because they gave up a class A a few years ago, and they got the B  
> under a secret agreement with ARIN
>
> This is just sheer speculation.  Since I don't work for ARIN and  
> don't know if it's true or not, I'm free to speculate.  The people  
> who actually know, well their hands are a bit more tied.
>
> Ted
>
> Vaughn Thurman - Swift Systems wrote:
>> So what does ARIN have to lose... Are these orgs cooperating now?
>> Sent from my handheld
>> On Jul 22, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2009, at 6:17 AM, <michael.dillon at bt.com> <michael.dillon at bt.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> When Apple or HP got their space in the late 1980's there was
>>>>> no fee as part of the "contract".
>>>>
>>>> It is a principle of common law that if there is no money (or
>>>> equivalent) paid then there is no legal contract. Has this  
>>>> changed in
>>>> the USA?
>>>>
>>> It is a principle of common law that a contract involves an exchange
>>> of value. (labor, things, etc. == value)
>>>
>>> It is a principle of common law that without a contract, you  
>>> cannot expect
>>> someone to pay a bill for a service you did not tell them you were  
>>> going
>>> to charge them for, whether or not they asked for said service and  
>>> whether
>>> or not you performed said service.
>>>
>>> The above use of the term "contract" probably is in quotations  
>>> because,
>>> it specifically is not a contract in the legal meaning of the  
>>> word, but, more
>>> the "contract" as a term of art for any form of agreement between  
>>> two or
>>> more parties.
>>>
>>>> I'd like to see all these entities billed retroactively back to the
>>>> beginning of ARIN. If they complain, then we could negotiate it  
>>>> down to
>>>> just the past year if they sign an RSA.
>>>>
>>> This would be an absurd waste of time and money on the part of  
>>> ARIN in
>>> my humble opinion. I think it would also go a long way towards  
>>> reducing
>>> the willingness to work with ARIN on the parts of several  
>>> organizations with
>>> legacy space.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
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