[arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.
Owen DeLong
owen at delong.com
Thu Jul 23 15:10:53 EDT 2009
A quick trip through whois reveals:
owen-delongs-macbook-pro:owen (265) ~ % whois -h whois.arin.net '>MSFT'
OrgName: Microsoft Corp
OrgID: MSFT
Address: One Microsoft Way
City: Redmond
StateProv: WA
PostalCode: 98052
Country: US
Comment:
RegDate: 1998-07-10
Updated: 2008-08-25
AbuseHandle: ABUSE231-ARIN
AbuseName: Abuse
AbusePhone: +1-425-882-8080
AbuseEmail: abuse at msn.com
AbuseHandle: HOTMA-ARIN
AbuseName: Hotmail Abuse
AbusePhone: +1-425-882-8080
AbuseEmail: abuse at hotmail.com
AbuseHandle: MSNAB-ARIN
AbuseName: MSN ABUSE
AbusePhone: +1-425-882-8080
AbuseEmail: abuse at msn.com
AdminHandle: MSFTP-ARIN
AdminName: MSFT-POC
AdminPhone: +1-425-882-8080
AdminEmail: iprrms at microsoft.com
NOCHandle: ZM23-ARIN
NOCName: Microsoft Corporation
NOCPhone: +1-425-882-8080
NOCEmail: noc at microsoft.com
TechHandle: MSFTP-ARIN
TechName: MSFT-POC
TechPhone: +1-425-882-8080
TechEmail: iprrms at microsoft.com
Resources Used By Organization:
Microsoft Corp (AS20046) MICROSOFT-BOS 20046
Microsoft Corp (AS8068) MICROSOFT-CORP---MSN-AS-BLOCK 8068 - 8075
Microsoft Corp (AS13811) MSLI 13811
Microsoft Corp (AS14719) MICROSOFT-CORP-BCENTRAL 14719
Microsoft Corp (AS13399) MICROSOFT-CORP---MSN-AS-2 13399
Microsoft Corp (AS3598) MICROSOFT-CORP-AS 3598
Microsoft Corp (AS5761) MICROSOFT-CORP---MSN-AS---SATURN 5761
Microsoft Corp (AS6182) MICROSOFT-CORP--MSN-AS-4 6182
Microsoft Corp (AS6194) MICROSOFT-CORP--MSN-AS-3 6194
Microsoft Corp (AS6291) MICROSOFT-CORP---MSN-AS 6291
Microsoft Corp (AS23468) MICROSOFT-CORP-XBOX-ONLINE 23468
Microsoft Corp LVLT-MSFT-8-6-176 (NET-8-6-176-0-1) 8.6.176.0 -
8.6.176.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOF33-108-0 (NET-12-28-108-0-1) 12.28.108.0 -
12.28.108.127
Microsoft Corp MICROSOF81-163-0 (NET-12-178-163-0-1) 12.178.163.0 -
12.178.163.31
Microsoft Corp Q0523-63-148-123-240 (NET-63-148-123-240-1)
63.148.123.240 - 63.148.123.247
Microsoft Corp QWEST-63-151-87-64 (NET-63-151-87-64-1) 63.151.87.64 -
63.151.87.71
Microsoft Corp SPRINT-3FA132-6 (NET-63-161-50-0-1) 63.161.50.0 -
63.161.50.127
Microsoft Corp SPRINT-3FA132 (NET-63-161-50-128-1) 63.161.50.128 -
63.161.50.255
Microsoft Corp SPRINTLINK (NET-63-173-42-128-1) 63.173.42.128 -
63.173.42.255
Microsoft Corp QWEST-63-236-170-64 (NET-63-236-170-64-1) 63.236.170.64
- 63.236.170.71
Microsoft Corp QWEST-63-236-186-64 (NET-63-236-186-64-1) 63.236.186.64
- 63.236.186.71
Microsoft Corp QWEST-63-236-187-104 (NET-63-236-187-104-1)
63.236.187.104 - 63.236.187.111
Microsoft Corp QWEST-63-236-187-128 (NET-63-236-187-128-1)
63.236.187.128 - 63.236.187.135
Microsoft Corp QWEST-63-236-187-160 (NET-63-236-187-160-1)
63.236.187.160 - 63.236.187.167
Microsoft Corp QWEST-63-236-198-64 (NET-63-236-198-64-1) 63.236.198.64
- 63.236.198.71
Microsoft Corp QWEST-63-236-198-152 (NET-63-236-198-152-1)
63.236.198.152 - 63.236.198.159
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233050-4 (NET-64-15-170-192-1) 64.15.170.192 -
64.15.170.199
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233050-5 (NET-64-15-177-0-1) 64.15.177.0 -
64.15.177.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233050-6 (NET-64-15-178-0-1) 64.15.178.0 -
64.15.178.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-15 (NET-64-15-229-96-1) 64.15.229.96 -
64.15.229.127
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233608-1 (NET-64-41-193-0-1) 64.41.193.0 -
64.41.193.255
Microsoft Corp HP-64-77-82-96 (NET-64-77-82-96-1) 64.77.82.96 -
64.77.82.103
Microsoft Corp HP-64-77-93-80 (NET-64-77-93-80-1) 64.77.93.80 -
64.77.93.95
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-1 (NET-64-85-70-32-1) 64.85.70.32 -
64.85.70.47
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-2 (NET-64-85-81-96-1) 64.85.81.96 -
64.85.81.103
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-3 (NET-64-85-81-104-1) 64.85.81.104 -
64.85.81.111
Microsoft Corp WLCO-TWC1057147-MICROSOFT (NET-64-200-211-16-1)
64.200.211.16 - 64.200.211.31
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-1BLK (NET-65-52-0-0-1) 65.52.0.0 -
65.55.255.255
Microsoft Corp Q0112-65-114-175-128 (NET-65-114-175-128-1)
65.114.175.128 - 65.114.175.159
Microsoft Corp SPRINTLINK (NET-65-170-29-0-1) 65.170.29.0 - 65.170.29.7
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S232995-1 (NET-66-35-208-48-1) 66.35.208.48 -
66.35.208.63
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S232995-2 (NET-66-35-209-120-1) 66.35.209.120 -
66.35.209.127
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S232995-3 (NET-66-35-211-128-1) 66.35.211.128 -
66.35.211.191
Microsoft Corp Q0903-67-132-133-96 (NET-67-132-133-96-1) 67.132.133.96
- 67.132.133.103
Microsoft Corp WLCO-TWC1057147-MICROSOFT-1 (NET-69-44-126-80-1)
69.44.126.80 - 69.44.126.95
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT (NET-131-107-0-0-1) 131.107.0.0 -
131.107.255.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-BBLK (NET-157-54-0-0-1) 157.54.0.0 -
157.60.255.255
Microsoft Corp ERMS-6799349 (NET-165-121-253-232-1) 165.121.253.232 -
165.121.253.239
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-VEXCEL (NET-192-92-90-0-1) 192.92.90.0 -
192.92.90.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-2 (NET-192-197-157-0-1)
192.197.157.0 - 192.197.157.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT18 (NET-192-237-67-0-1) 192.237.67.0 -
192.237.67.255
Microsoft Corp NETBLK-MSOFT-NET (NET-198-105-232-0-1) 198.105.232.0 -
198.105.235.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT19 (NET-198-137-97-0-1) 198.137.97.0 -
198.137.97.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT2 (NET-198-180-74-0-1) 198.180.74.0 -
198.180.75.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT3 (NET-198-180-95-0-1) 198.180.95.0 -
198.180.97.255
Microsoft Corp FON-3338832128690 (NET-199-2-137-0-1) 199.2.137.0 -
199.2.137.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT17 (NET-199-6-92-0-1) 199.6.92.0 - 199.6.94.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-1 (NET-199-60-28-0-1) 199.60.28.0 -
199.60.28.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-1 (NET-199-103-90-0-1) 199.103.90.0 -
199.103.91.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-3 (NET-199-103-122-0-1)
199.103.122.0 - 199.103.122.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-IPV6-BLK (NET6-2001-4898-1)
2001:4898:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000 -
2001:4898:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-2 (NET-204-79-7-0-1) 204.79.7.0 - 204.79.7.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-NET1 (NET-204-79-27-0-1) 204.79.27.0 -
204.79.27.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT8 (NET-204-79-101-0-1) 204.79.101.0 -
204.79.101.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-HK (NET-204-79-135-0-1) 204.79.135.0 -
204.79.135.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-PLACEWARE-1 (NET-204-79-179-0-1) 204.79.179.0
- 204.79.179.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT11 (NET-204-79-180-0-1) 204.79.180.0 -
204.79.181.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-PLACEWARE-2 (NET-204-79-188-0-1) 204.79.188.0
- 204.79.188.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT13 (NET-204-79-195-0-1) 204.79.195.0 -
204.79.197.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-PLACEWARE-2 (NET-204-79-252-0-1) 204.79.252.0
- 204.79.252.255
Microsoft Corp SPRINT-CC5F6F (NET-204-95-96-0-1) 204.95.96.0 -
204.95.111.255
Microsoft Corp SPRINT-CC5F95-8 (NET-204-95-149-0-1) 204.95.149.0 -
204.95.149.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFTDENVER (NET-204-133-231-0-1) 204.133.231.0 -
204.133.231.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT15 (NET-204-140-77-0-1) 204.140.77.0 -
204.140.77.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT16 (NET-204-140-80-0-1) 204.140.80.0 -
204.140.83.255
Microsoft Corp FON-343451648081865 (NET-204-182-144-0-1) 204.182.144.0
- 204.182.159.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT19-NET58 (NET-204-231-58-0-1) 204.231.58.0 -
204.231.58.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT20 (NET-204-231-76-0-1) 204.231.76.0 -
204.231.76.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT26 (NET-204-231-192-0-1) 204.231.192.0 -
204.231.192.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT27 (NET-204-231-194-0-1) 204.231.194.0 -
204.231.223.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT28 (NET-204-231-236-0-1) 204.231.236.0 -
204.231.236.255
Microsoft Corp SPRINT-CDA33E (NET-205-163-62-0-1) 205.163.62.0 -
205.163.62.255
Microsoft Corp SPRINT-CDA33F (NET-205-163-63-0-1) 205.163.63.0 -
205.163.63.255
Microsoft Corp SPRINT-CDA39F (NET-205-163-144-0-1) 205.163.144.0 -
205.163.159.255
Microsoft Corp FON-34550983681918 (NET-205-240-158-0-1) 205.240.158.0
- 205.240.159.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT29 (NET-205-248-10-0-1) 205.248.10.0 -
205.248.15.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT30 (NET-205-248-41-0-1) 205.248.41.0 -
205.248.43.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT31 (NET-205-248-50-0-1) 205.248.50.0 -
205.248.51.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT32 (NET-205-248-61-0-1) 205.248.61.0 -
205.248.63.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT34 (NET-205-248-72-0-1) 205.248.72.0 -
205.248.72.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT33 (NET-205-248-80-0-1) 205.248.80.0 -
205.248.129.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT35 (NET-205-248-212-0-1) 205.248.212.0 -
205.248.215.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT36 (NET-205-248-228-0-1) 205.248.228.0 -
205.248.228.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT37 (NET-205-248-235-0-1) 205.248.235.0 -
205.248.235.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT44 (NET-205-248-243-0-1) 205.248.243.0 -
205.248.244.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT58 (NET-206-73-31-0-1) 206.73.31.0 -
206.73.31.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT59 (NET-206-73-67-0-1) 206.73.67.0 -
206.73.67.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT56 (NET-206-73-118-0-1) 206.73.118.0 -
206.73.118.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT57 (NET-206-73-203-0-1) 206.73.203.0 -
206.73.203.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-6 (NET-206-79-74-32-1) 206.79.74.32 -
206.79.74.47
Microsoft Corp FON-346312755281299 (NET-206-107-34-0-1) 206.107.34.0 -
206.107.34.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT61 (NET-206-182-69-0-1) 206.182.69.0 -
206.182.69.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT62 (NET-206-182-236-0-1) 206.182.236.0 -
206.182.236.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT63 (NET-206-182-240-0-1) 206.182.240.0 -
206.182.240.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT64 (NET-206-182-241-0-1) 206.182.241.0 -
206.182.241.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT65 (NET-206-182-247-0-1) 206.182.247.0 -
206.182.247.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT66 (NET-206-182-251-0-1) 206.182.251.0 -
206.182.251.255
Microsoft Corp UU-207-18-117 (NET-207-18-117-0-1) 207.18.117.0 -
207.18.117.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-GLOBAL-NET (NET-207-46-0-0-1) 207.46.0.0 -
207.46.255.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-BLK (NET-207-68-128-0-1)
207.68.128.0 - 207.68.207.255
Microsoft Corp SOCRATIC (NET-207-78-80-0-1) 207.78.80.0 - 207.78.80.255
Microsoft Corp DAVELADD (NET-207-78-81-0-1) 207.78.81.0 - 207.78.81.255
Microsoft Corp RSEGAL (NET-207-78-82-0-1) 207.78.82.0 - 207.78.82.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT48 (NET-207-117-3-0-1) 207.117.3.0 -
207.117.3.255
Microsoft Corp CYBR-LCCLAB (NET-207-158-93-192-1) 207.158.93.192 -
207.158.93.223
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT50 (NET-207-209-68-0-1) 207.209.68.0 -
207.209.68.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-8-18 (NET-207-240-8-224-1) 207.240.8.224 -
207.240.8.239
Microsoft Corp MSBPN-2 (NET-207-240-123-192-1) 207.240.123.192 -
207.240.123.223
Microsoft Corp SPRINT-D01ACD (NET-208-26-205-0-1) 208.26.205.0 -
208.26.205.255
Microsoft Corp QWEST-208-45-54-8 (NET-208-45-54-8-1) 208.45.54.8 -
208.45.54.15
Microsoft Corp QWEST-208-45-54-16 (NET-208-45-54-16-1) 208.45.54.16 -
208.45.54.23
Microsoft Corp QWEST-208-45-89-248A (NET-208-45-89-248-1)
208.45.89.248 - 208.45.89.255
Microsoft Corp CW-208-139-27-B (NET-208-139-27-0-1) 208.139.27.0 -
208.139.27.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233608-2 (NET-209-1-15-0-1) 209.1.15.0 -
209.1.15.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-4 (NET-209-1-112-0-1) 209.1.112.0 -
209.1.112.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-5 (NET-209-1-113-0-1) 209.1.113.0 -
209.1.113.255
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT55 (NET-209-28-213-0-1) 209.28.213.0 -
209.28.213.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233050-2 (NET-209-143-238-0-1) 209.143.238.0 -
209.143.238.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-14 (NET-209-185-128-0-1) 209.185.128.0 -
209.185.131.255
Microsoft Corp NET-CSAMSI (NET-209-192-213-72-1) 209.192.213.72 -
209.192.213.79
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-7 (NET-216-32-168-224-1) 216.32.168.224 -
216.32.168.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-8 (NET-216-32-175-224-1) 216.32.175.224 -
216.32.175.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-9 (NET-216-32-180-0-1) 216.32.180.0 -
216.32.183.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-10 (NET-216-32-240-0-1) 216.32.240.0 -
216.32.243.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-16 (NET-216-33-148-0-1) 216.33.148.0 -
216.33.151.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-11 (NET-216-33-229-224-1) 216.33.229.224 -
216.33.229.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-12 (NET-216-33-236-0-1) 216.33.236.0 -
216.33.239.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233053-13 (NET-216-33-240-0-1) 216.33.240.0 -
216.33.243.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233608-3 (NET-216-34-51-0-1) 216.34.51.0 -
216.34.51.255
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233608-4 (NET-216-34-53-176-1) 216.34.53.176 -
216.34.53.191
Microsoft Corp SAVV-S233608-5 (NET-216-35-8-224-1) 216.35.8.224 -
216.35.8.239
Microsoft Corp MICROSOFTG1-COM (NET-216-72-96-0-1) 216.72.96.0 -
216.72.99.255
Microsoft Corp CUST-86-24614 (NET-216-222-104-224-1) 216.222.104.224 -
216.222.104.239
Looking at the networks contained therein, that looks like: 939400
addresses and no /8s.
The largest block is Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-BBLK (NET-157-54-0-0-1)
157.54.0.0 - 157.60.255.255
which doesn't appear to be bit-aligned, but, looks like:
157.54.0.0/15
157.56.0.0/14
They also have a couple of /16s and a /14. There are a couple of
other large non-aligned ranges,
and the rest appear to be smaller blocks.
The block Microsoft Corp MICROSOFT-IPV6-BLK (NET6-2001-4898-1)
2001:4898:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000 -
2001:4898:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF
is specifically not included in the calculations above, but, is a /32
of IPv6 space.
HP has a large number of Org IDs:
Hewlett Packard (HEWLET-5)
Hewlett Packard (HEWLET-6)
Hewlett Packard (HEWLET-1)
Hewlett Packard (HEWLET-13)
Hewlett Packard (HEWLET-16)
HEWLETT PACKARD (HEWLET-21)
Hewlett Packard (HEWLET-24)
Hewlett Packard (HEWLET-27)
Hewlett Packard (HEWLET-28)
Hewlett Packard (HEWLET-29)
hewlett packard (HEWLET-31)
HEWLETT PACKARD (HEWLET-33)
HEWLETT PACKARD (HEWLE-10)
Hewlett Packard (HEWLE-16)
HEWLETT PACKARD - BRS (HPB-6)
Hewlett Packard / COMPAQ (HEWLE-25)
Hewlett Packard Co. (HEWLET-3)
Hewlett Packard Company (HEWLET-25)
HEWLETT PACKARD COMPANY (HEWLE-13)
HEWLETT PACKARD COMPANY (HEWLE-15)
Hewlett Packard OKI Printed Circuit (HPOPC)
HEWLETT PACKARD-VERIFONE (HEWLET-32)
Hewlett packard/Danzas AEI (HPA-6)
Hewlett Packard Company (AI2-ORG-ARIN) ipaddr at hp.com
+1-800-524-7638
Which makes it a bit more challenging to indentify all of their space.
However, looking through all of the blocks which are returned from
whois -h whois.arin.net 'hewlett',
I do not see any /8s listed.
Trying to look at Apple is even worse...
Apple Computer (APPLEC-13)
Apple Computer (APPLEC-16)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-6)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-7)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-152)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-12)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-43)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-46)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-47)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-48)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-49)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-50)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-51)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-56)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-57)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-59)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-60)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-69)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-62)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-71)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-72)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-73)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-74)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-75)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-76)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-77)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-78)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-79)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-83)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-84)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-80)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-81)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-82)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-85)
APPLE COMPUTER (APPLE-146)
Apple Computer, Inc (APPLEC-14)
Apple Computer, Inc. (APPLEC-3)
Apple Computer, Inc. (APPLEC-2)
Apple Computer, Inc. (APPLEC-4)
However, looking at the blocks returned by whois -h whois.arin.net
'apple',
I also do not see a single /8 listed.
Owen
On Jul 22, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that Microsoft used to have a class A and I'm pretty
> sure that disappeared a few years ago.
>
> Apple and HP may be in that same boat. They may have a class B now
> because they gave up a class A a few years ago, and they got the B
> under a secret agreement with ARIN
>
> This is just sheer speculation. Since I don't work for ARIN and
> don't know if it's true or not, I'm free to speculate. The people
> who actually know, well their hands are a bit more tied.
>
> Ted
>
> Vaughn Thurman - Swift Systems wrote:
>> So what does ARIN have to lose... Are these orgs cooperating now?
>> Sent from my handheld
>> On Jul 22, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2009, at 6:17 AM, <michael.dillon at bt.com> <michael.dillon at bt.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> When Apple or HP got their space in the late 1980's there was
>>>>> no fee as part of the "contract".
>>>>
>>>> It is a principle of common law that if there is no money (or
>>>> equivalent) paid then there is no legal contract. Has this
>>>> changed in
>>>> the USA?
>>>>
>>> It is a principle of common law that a contract involves an exchange
>>> of value. (labor, things, etc. == value)
>>>
>>> It is a principle of common law that without a contract, you
>>> cannot expect
>>> someone to pay a bill for a service you did not tell them you were
>>> going
>>> to charge them for, whether or not they asked for said service and
>>> whether
>>> or not you performed said service.
>>>
>>> The above use of the term "contract" probably is in quotations
>>> because,
>>> it specifically is not a contract in the legal meaning of the
>>> word, but, more
>>> the "contract" as a term of art for any form of agreement between
>>> two or
>>> more parties.
>>>
>>>> I'd like to see all these entities billed retroactively back to the
>>>> beginning of ARIN. If they complain, then we could negotiate it
>>>> down to
>>>> just the past year if they sign an RSA.
>>>>
>>> This would be an absurd waste of time and money on the part of
>>> ARIN in
>>> my humble opinion. I think it would also go a long way towards
>>> reducing
>>> the willingness to work with ARIN on the parts of several
>>> organizations with
>>> legacy space.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
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