[arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

I'm pretty sure that Microsoft used to have a class A and I'm pretty
sure that disappeared a few years ago.

Apple and HP may be in that same boat.  They may have a class B now
because they gave up a class A a few years ago, and they got the B under 
a secret agreement with ARIN

This is just sheer speculation.  Since I don't work for ARIN and don't 
know if it's true or not, I'm free to speculate.  The people who 
actually know, well their hands are a bit more tied.

Ted

Vaughn Thurman - Swift Systems wrote:
> So what does ARIN have to lose... Are these orgs cooperating now?
> 
> Sent from my handheld
> 
> On Jul 22, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2009, at 6:17 AM, <michael.dillon at bt.com> 
>> <michael.dillon at bt.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> When Apple or HP got their space in the late 1980's there was
>>>> no fee as part of the "contract".
>>>
>>> It is a principle of common law that if there is no money (or
>>> equivalent) paid then there is no legal contract. Has this changed in
>>> the USA?
>>>
>> It is a principle of common law that a contract involves an exchange
>> of value. (labor, things, etc. == value)
>>
>> It is a principle of common law that without a contract, you cannot 
>> expect
>> someone to pay a bill for a service you did not tell them you were going
>> to charge them for, whether or not they asked for said service and 
>> whether
>> or not you performed said service.
>>
>> The above use of the term "contract" probably is in quotations because,
>> it specifically is not a contract in the legal meaning of the word, 
>> but, more
>> the "contract" as a term of art for any form of agreement between two or
>> more parties.
>>
>>> I'd like to see all these entities billed retroactively back to the
>>> beginning of ARIN. If they complain, then we could negotiate it down to
>>> just the past year if they sign an RSA.
>>>
>> This would be an absurd waste of time and money on the part of ARIN in
>> my humble opinion. I think it would also go a long way towards reducing
>> the willingness to work with ARIN on the parts of several 
>> organizations with
>> legacy space.
>>
>> Owen
>>
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