[arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.

[Vaughn Thurman - Swift Systems]

So what does ARIN have to lose... Are these orgs cooperating now?

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On Jul 22, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>
> On Jul 22, 2009, at 6:17 AM, <michael.dillon at bt.com> <michael.dillon at bt.com 
> > wrote:
>
>>> When Apple or HP got their space in the late 1980's there was
>>> no fee as part of the "contract".
>>
>> It is a principle of common law that if there is no money (or
>> equivalent) paid then there is no legal contract. Has this changed in
>> the USA?
>>
> It is a principle of common law that a contract involves an exchange
> of value. (labor, things, etc. == value)
>
> It is a principle of common law that without a contract, you cannot  
> expect
> someone to pay a bill for a service you did not tell them you were  
> going
> to charge them for, whether or not they asked for said service and  
> whether
> or not you performed said service.
>
> The above use of the term "contract" probably is in quotations  
> because,
> it specifically is not a contract in the legal meaning of the word,  
> but, more
> the "contract" as a term of art for any form of agreement between  
> two or
> more parties.
>
>> I'd like to see all these entities billed retroactively back to the
>> beginning of ARIN. If they complain, then we could negotiate it  
>> down to
>> just the past year if they sign an RSA.
>>
> This would be an absurd waste of time and money on the part of ARIN in
> my humble opinion. I think it would also go a long way towards  
> reducing
> the willingness to work with ARIN on the parts of several  
> organizations with
> legacy space.
>
> Owen
>
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