[arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.

[Danny Whittenburg]

Mr. Curran,

  It is nice to see the man in charge is listening to us little guys out here. My company is getting ready to test your statement as we prepare to obtain more IPv4 addressing. Hope you are right. On another note I have noticed a lot of discussion pertaining to HP, Apple and others that they have an extraordinary amount of IPv4 addresses that are not being used and may never be used. I would ask you if that is a true statement and if so what is ARIN prepared to do about it, if anything?



Danny Whittenburg
Cimarron Telephone Company
Director of IT Services
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From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of John Curran
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:40 AM
To: Nathaniel B.Lyon
Cc: ARIN Discussion List
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.

Nathaniel -

    While ARIN is being diligent in verifying IPv4 address requests, the outstanding
    size of the IPv4 free pool is not creating an "strain" on meeting the needs of ISP's
    for IPv4 addresses.

    What most smaller ISP's are experiencing in difficulty obtaining IPv4 address space
    is due to the requirements to show existing utilization of upstream ISP's assignment
    and/or to show that they are multi-homed.  These requirements in the IPv4 policy
    stem from the communities concern that having every ISP today immediately get
    an IPv4 address block would result in some assignments going unused, and further
    would result in a rapidly growing IPv4 routing table.

    I acknowledge it can be challenging for a smaller ISP to obtain their own IPv4
    address block, but want to be clear that the reason for this is the current policy
    and concerns about routing, not per se any result of the pending depletion of
    the IPv4 available pool.

/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

p.s.  As always, the ARIN policy in this area can be changed if the community reaches
        consensus on improvements.   Information on the policy development process can
        be found at  <https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html>


On Jul 21, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Nathaniel B. Lyon wrote:


Shon,

I couldn't have said this any better myself.  We are a small/medium WISP based out of Northfield Minnesota and we have been trying to get an IPv4 block ourselves for some time now and actually found that it might be easier robbing a bank than getting an IPv4 block assigned to us.  We recently threw up our hands and went after an IPv6 block, easiest thing in the world to obtain.  We were handed a /32 of IPv6 addresses literally in a 1 day.  Don't get me wrong, that is great, but we are most likely not going to see IPv6 fully utilized across the board for 5 years.  So in the meantime, what are we to do?

Long story a little shorter, my organization feels like the big guys have pretty much wrecked it for everyone mid-sized and below.  For us to even get our foot in the door with our own IPv4 pool is a pipe dream.  To make matters worse, we are sitting here with this nice pool of IPv6 addresses and we can't even start testing these IP's because our upstream isn't capable yet of allowing these to transport across their network.

I don't know if we are the only organization that is feeling the strain of the "lack" of IPv4 addresses, but something needs to give between now and when IPv6 is the standard.  IPv6 is not going to be the standard over night, so handing every ISP a /32 in IPv6 world is NOT the fix either.  Smaller organizations need to be looked at and given a fair chance at the IPv4 world.  Not having a shot in the dark at an IPv4 pool is greatly straining some ISP's.

It's nice to hear others are feeling like their IPv4 needs are not ever going to be met, which is sad to say the least.  I urge others to come out and share their opinions.  Unwired Broadband and NorthfieldWiFi can't be the only two ISP's getting the short end of the stick in the IPv4 world.

Nathaniel B. Lyon
Owner, NorthfieldWiFi
(612) 991-4260
www.northfieldwifi.com<http://www.northfieldwifi.com>
nate.lyon at nfldwifi.net<mailto:nate.lyon at nfldwifi.net>


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