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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>John Curran<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:40 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Nathaniel B.Lyon<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> ARIN Discussion List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"> While ARIN is being diligent in verifying IPv4 address requests, the outstanding<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"> size of the IPv4 free pool is not creating an "strain" on meeting the needs of ISP's <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"> and/or to show that they are multi-homed. These requirements in the IPv4 policy <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">p.s. As always, the ARIN policy in this area can be changed if the community reaches <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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12.0pt"> be found at <<a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt">On Jul 21, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Nathaniel B. Lyon wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I couldn't have said this any better myself. We are a small/medium WISP based out of
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Northfield</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">
Minnesota</st1:State></st1:place> and we have been trying to get an IPv4 block ourselves for some time now and actually found that it might be easier robbing a bank than getting an IPv4 block assigned to us. We recently threw up our hands and went after an
IPv6 block, easiest thing in the world to obtain. We were handed a /32 of IPv6 addresses literally in a 1 day. Don't get me wrong, that is great, but we are most likely not going to see IPv6 fully utilized across the board for 5 years. So in the meantime,
what are we to do?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Long story a little shorter, my organization feels like the big guys have pretty much wrecked it for everyone mid-sized and below.
For us to even get our foot in the door with our own IPv4 pool is a pipe dream. To make matters worse, we are sitting here with this nice pool of IPv6 addresses and we can't even start testing these IP's because our upstream isn't capable yet of allowing
these to transport across their network.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I don't know if we are the only organization that is feeling the strain of the "lack" of IPv4 addresses, but something needs to give
between now and when IPv6 is the standard. IPv6 is not going to be the standard over night, so handing every ISP a /32 in IPv6 world is NOT the fix either. Smaller organizations need to be looked at and given a <u>fair chance</u> at the IPv4 world. Not
having a shot in the dark at an IPv4 pool is greatly straining some ISP’s.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">It’s nice to hear others are feeling like their IPv4 needs are not ever going to be met, which is sad to say the least. I urge others
to come out and share their opinions. Unwired Broadband and NorthfieldWiFi can’t be the only two ISP’s getting the short end of the stick in the IPv4 world.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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