[arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.

[Nathaniel B. Lyon]

Shon,



I couldn't have said this any better myself.  We are a small/medium WISP based out of Northfield Minnesota and we have been trying to get an IPv4 block ourselves for some time now and actually found that it might be easier robbing a bank than getting an IPv4 block assigned to us.  We recently threw up our hands and went after an IPv6 block, easiest thing in the world to obtain.  We were handed a /32 of IPv6 addresses literally in a 1 day.  Don't get me wrong, that is great, but we are most likely not going to see IPv6 fully utilized across the board for 5 years.  So in the meantime, what are we to do?



Long story a little shorter, my organization feels like the big guys have pretty much wrecked it for everyone mid-sized and below.  For us to even get our foot in the door with our own IPv4 pool is a pipe dream.  To make matters worse, we are sitting here with this nice pool of IPv6 addresses and we can't even start testing these IP's because our upstream isn't capable yet of allowing these to transport across their network.



I don't know if we are the only organization that is feeling the strain of the "lack" of IPv4 addresses, but something needs to give between now and when IPv6 is the standard.  IPv6 is not going to be the standard over night, so handing every ISP a /32 in IPv6 world is NOT the fix either.  Smaller organizations need to be looked at and given a fair chance at the IPv4 world.  Not having a shot in the dark at an IPv4 pool is greatly straining some ISP's.



It's nice to hear others are feeling like their IPv4 needs are not ever going to be met, which is sad to say the least.  I urge others to come out and share their opinions.  Unwired Broadband and NorthfieldWiFi can't be the only two ISP's getting the short end of the stick in the IPv4 world.



Nathaniel B. Lyon

Owner, NorthfieldWiFi

(612) 991-4260

www.northfieldwifi.com<http://www.northfieldwifi.com>

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-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Shon Elliott
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:16 PM
To: ARIN Discussion List
Subject: [arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.



Hi everyone,



With all this talk about IPv4 space becoming scarce and that we're running out,

I have to question why there are some netblock holders not being accountable for

their space. Everyone has been telling small netblock holders like us to do due

diligence and make sure that you are staying within current ARIN utilization

guidelines.



My question is:



Why does the Department of Defense need so many /8's? Before criticizing why I

ask, understand why I ask. Do they REALLY need that much space? Are they REALLY

using that much space? Sure, it's the U.S. Government, but even the U.S.

Government needs accountability (which seems to be missing a lot from them these

days).



Why are companies like Level3 holding on to /8's and not filling them up? Take

for example, 4.0.0.0/8. I know IP migration takes time, but come on. Small

providers like us are told by ARIN 18 months for migration.



Why aren't all of these other people being held accountable for their usage

knowing the current scenario. If ARIN could reclaim all the /8's out there that

really aren't being used and slice that up, it would probably help make the move

to IPv6 smoother. Turning around and saying there is a year left of unassigned

IPv4 space is really not true if you look at how much IPv4 space is not being

used by either companies that are holding the space and not using it or IANA

reserved space that's not suited for any major purpose like RFC 1918.



You can reply here on the list to spark the discussion, or reply privately to

me. If you think I'm wrong or off-base, I'd like to know. Maybe I'm not seeing

it from the right perspective.



Regards,

Shon Elliott

Senior Network Engineer

unWired Broadband, Inc.





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