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<p class=MsoPlainText>Shon,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I couldn't have said this any better myself. We are
a small/medium WISP based out of Northfield Minnesota and we have been trying
to get an IPv4 block ourselves for some time now and actually found that it
might be easier robbing a bank than getting an IPv4 block assigned to us.
We recently threw up our hands and went after an IPv6 block, easiest thing in
the world to obtain. We were handed a /32 of IPv6 addresses literally in
a 1 day. Don't get me wrong, that is great, but we are most likely not
going to see IPv6 fully utilized across the board for 5 years. So in the
meantime, what are we to do?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Long story a little shorter, my organization feels like
the big guys have pretty much wrecked it for everyone mid-sized and
below. For us to even get our foot in the door with our own IPv4 pool is
a pipe dream. To make matters worse, we are sitting here with this nice
pool of IPv6 addresses and we can't even start testing these IP's because our
upstream isn't capable yet of allowing these to transport across their network.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I don't know if we are the only organization that is
feeling the strain of the "lack" of IPv4 addresses, but something
needs to give between now and when IPv6 is the standard. IPv6 is not
going to be the standard over night, so handing every ISP a /32 in IPv6 world
is NOT the fix either. Smaller organizations need to be looked at and
given a <u>fair chance</u> at the IPv4 world. Not having a shot in the
dark at an IPv4 pool is greatly straining some ISP’s.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>It’s nice to hear others are feeling like their
IPv4 needs are not ever going to be met, which is sad to say the least. I
urge others to come out and share their opinions. Unwired Broadband and
NorthfieldWiFi can’t be the only two ISP’s getting the short end of
the stick in the IPv4 world.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Nathaniel B. Lyon<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Owner, NorthfieldWiFi<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>(612) 991-4260<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://www.northfieldwifi.com">www.northfieldwifi.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><a href="mailto:nate.lyon@nfldwifi.net">nate.lyon@nfldwifi.net</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net] On
Behalf Of Shon Elliott<br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:16 PM<br>
To: ARIN Discussion List<br>
Subject: [arin-discuss] Food for thought: IPv4 accountability.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>With all this talk about IPv4 space becoming scarce and
that we're running out,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>I have to question why there are some netblock holders
not being accountable for<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>their space. Everyone has been telling small netblock
holders like us to do due<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>diligence and make sure that you are staying within
current ARIN utilization<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>guidelines.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>My question is:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Why does the Department of Defense need so many /8's?
Before criticizing why I<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>ask, understand why I ask. Do they REALLY need that much
space? Are they REALLY<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>using that much space? Sure, it's the U.S. Government,
but even the U.S.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Government needs accountability (which seems to be missing
a lot from them these<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>days).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Why are companies like Level3 holding on to /8's and not
filling them up? Take<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>for example, 4.0.0.0/8. I know IP migration takes time,
but come on. Small<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>providers like us are told by ARIN 18 months for
migration.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Why aren't all of these other people being held
accountable for their usage<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>knowing the current scenario. If ARIN could reclaim all
the /8's out there that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>really aren't being used and slice that up, it would
probably help make the move<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>to IPv6 smoother. Turning around and saying there is a
year left of unassigned<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>IPv4 space is really not true if you look at how much
IPv4 space is not being<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>used by either companies that are holding the space and
not using it or IANA<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>reserved space that's not suited for any major purpose
like RFC 1918.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>You can reply here on the list to spark the discussion,
or reply privately to<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>me. If you think I'm wrong or off-base, I'd like to know.
Maybe I'm not seeing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>it from the right perspective.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Shon Elliott<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>Senior Network Engineer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText>unWired Broadband, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p>
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