[arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

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>[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]On Behalf Of Keith W. Hare
>Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:12 PM
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>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy
>assignments?
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jeremy
>> Anthony Kinsey
>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:15 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on
>> Legacy assignments?
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>> So who has the "obligation" to pay for this?
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>Who has an "obligation" to pay for what?
>
>As a legacy address holder (our /24 was allocated in 1991), I've mostly
>ignored ARIN, except for a couple of POC updates.
>
>Until last spring when I received an invitation to join the Public
>Policy Mailing List, I had received no communication from ARIN outside
>of the POC updates. So, ARIN has mostly ignored me.
>
>Much of the discussion of the "Counsel statement on Legacy assignments"
>assumes that legacy address holders have not been paying their fair
>share of something.  However, I have never received any communication
>from ARIN inviting me to pay for something relative my legacy address.
>
>So, as far as I can tell, I've paid everything that ARIN has ever asked.
>
>Take a look at the ARIN web page.  What there gives information to
>legacy address holders on what and why they should pay ARIN?
>
>So, before spending a lot of time discussing whether or not ARIN has the
>legal or moral right to stop providing services to legacy address
>holders who haven't done something, ARIN needs to define what it wants
>from legacy address holders and put in place the process and
>documentation to allow legacy address holders to respond.
>

This disingenuous story ignores the real issue.

The rest of the IPv4 world has been out there doing their thing - and their
thing involved watching out for your interests.  If they hadn't
been doing this, your block could have likely been routed by someone else
somewhere else and you would have lost the use of it.  I'm sure if that
happened you would have suddenly 'discovered' ARIN real fast.

Now, nobody so far is coming after you for your /24.  It is small.  And of
no real use to affect IPv4 runout rates.  Because of this, your ARIN
experience
really has no bearing on the issue.

The real issue is threefold:

1) Is there enough unused IPv4 in large legacy holders to make a difference
in
IPv4 runout rates?

2) If there is, should ARIN spend time attempting to retrieve it?

3) If ARIN should, is it even possible to go about doing so without creating
undesirable side effects?

All 3 of these questions are tied up with each other, and if the answer to
any
of them is NO then the entire issue is moot.

There is no point in putting a lot of effort into answering #1 if the answer
to
#3 is a no.  Same goes for vis-versa.  Same goes for question #2.

This thread was discussing #3 and your saying not to discuss that but
instead to
discuss question #1.  Of course, if the thread actually did start discussing
#1
you would probably say there is no point in discussing #1 if we don't
discuss #3
first.

Any question is equally valid to discuss "first" as ultimately they are all
part
of the same issue.

Ted