[arin-discuss] SPAM-WARN:Re: [ppml] Counsel statement onLegacyassignments?(fwd)

[Michael Thomas - Mathbox]

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> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
> Anthony Kinsey
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:02 PM
> To: Owen DeLong
> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: SPAM-WARN:Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel 
> statement onLegacyassignments?(fwd)
> 
> 
> On Oct 5, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> 
> >> For example, if we were able to extend our block, 
> (assuming no one is
> >> above us or below us) we would easily pay less than if we 
> just bought
> >> another /20.   I think the fee structure charges more to increase
> >> your allocation, when you cannot increase the netblock you are in
> >> because, again, someone is in the space below you, or above you.
> >>
> > This is not true.  The cost of two separate /20s is the 
> same as a /19
> > under the ISP rules.  The prices are based on the aggregate sum of
> > all your address spaces, not each individual allocation 
> (assuming all
> > allocations are under the same ORG).
> >
> > If you have two /20s, then, for billing purposes, you are a 
> /19 and  
> > you
> > would pay the /19 price.
> 
> Insert foot in mouth.. Thank you for the clarification..
> 
> So in other words, I could go from a /20 to  a /19 and still 
> pay what  
> I am currently paying?  Great, how do I begin that process?  
> I am out  
> of space.
> >
> >> I'd like to be able to increase to say, a /19 from a /20 and pay  
> >> the /
> >> 19 price, but I cannot do that.. Does that make sense?  It would be
> >> nice if there were some way to increase our network allocation,
> >> outside of our own allocation but still pay the same rate based on
> >> the TOTAL allocation... If that makes sense..
> >>
> > That is exactly how it works.
> 
> Great.. Thank you.
> >
> >> Also, from a cash flow perspective, I would rather pay 
> MONTHLY, than
> >> annually.. It would make it much easier for us and other 
> ISP's from a
> >> cash flow perspective to charge out our IP services on monthly
> >> basis.  We could then better justify buying a larger 
> allocation, and
> >> in the long run, save money, but buying more for less.
> >
> > You are not BUYING an allocation.  You are paying for a registration
> > service.  In terms of managing the cash flow, get a small 
> loan to pay
> > your ARIN fees and then make monthly payments on the loan and
> > you have the same cash flow. I don't think that I want to 
> see the very
> > small staff at ARIN tied up managing monthly instead of annual
> > bills or a mixture of customers who prefer different billing cycles.
> 
> The annual is not killing me.. Getting a loan would be stupid for  
> such an amount.. What I am getting at is I run my business on 30 day  
> payables... I know of no other service that requires an annual,  
> upfront payment for services.  Imagine if I had to pay for my fiber  
> annually... OUCH!!!
> >
> > Would you want to pay for the additional headcount at ARIN 
> to support
> > such a thing in order to get monthly bills?
> >
> >
> I really do not think it could cost that much to maintaining  
> accounting of money coming in.. ;-)
> 
> Thanks again for the input and clarification!
> 
> Regards,
> Jeremy Anthony Kinsey
>   e-mail: jer at mia.net
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Jeremy,

I would agree with you, except for one issue, billing costs. As many do, we
offer a discount to our customers for an up-front annual payment. We do so,
not to get the money up front, but to avoid the billing/tracking overhead.
The money up front doesn't hurt, but it is not the point. So, I would argue
that for smaller companies, where the annual outlay up-front is a barrier to
entry, then ARIN should offer monthly payments, but that there should be a
monthly account maintenance fee for doing so.

Michael Thomas
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