[ARIN-consult] What do the ASN fees go to?

[Adam Thompson]

Going off-topic slightly... 

There is a trend worldwide for NGOs, Charities, and other non-profits to
steadily increase overhead (notably including executive compensation) to
unsustainable levels.  In this industry in particular we have the
unfortunate example of Nominet. 

I certainly don't expect John to disclose his entire compensation
package, particularly on a public mailing list, and I am *NOT* saying
this applies to ARIN - I have no idea if it does or not, and making such
an accusation would require a ton more research and concrete evidence,
none of which I care enough to do at the moment.  (I'm pretty sure John
doesn't take home the entire $4M line item!) 

HOWEVER, if there's a way to proactively prevent ARIN from spiraling out
of control (à la Nominet), that's an interesting idea.  I don't think it
needs to be addressed during the current consultation over fees.  I
don't have the impression that most stakeholders would support such a
large change in scope at this late point in the consultation. 

Especially since I don't know of any canned examples, best practices,
etc. in this area that could be readily applied, I am not prepared to
start discussing details on that the day this consultation closes! 

I wouldn't mind seeing thoughts on this the _next_ time ARIN fees
change. 

For the record, while I'm not exactly happy about the new fees, I think
the change is... reasonable.  I can't think of any other set of changes
that both meets ARIN's operational needs AND would be better accepted by
the community than this set. 

-Adam 

On 2021-05-10 14:11, Steve Noble wrote:

> Per the latest 990N available (2018) 18% (4MM) of the money went to executives.  ARIN is a non-profit.  John's compensation is the highest (obviously).
> 
> Notable expenses
> Percent of total expenses
> 
> Executive compensation
> $3,979,666
> 18.1%
> 
> William Herrin wrote on 5/10/21 11:39 AM:
> 
> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:47 AM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> 
> As noted earlier, ARIN provides many operational services for all of the resources in the registry - and these services are provided even for number resources that have no requests pending or when there are requests pending to change information but that lack proper documentation.
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Even if you include the policy process with the list and meetings (in
> addition to the registry itself) in the "services" provided to an AS
> number registrant, it seems to me that less than 10% of the end-user
> AS number fees are spent on services with the rest spent on ARIN
> overhead. If you disagree, I'd love to see a breakout of the
> accounting as you figure it.
> 
> Perhaps there should be a cap on the portion of any fee which can be
> applied to ARIN overhead costs? At the least, that might encourage
> ARIN to keep overhead costs from rising out of proportion with the
> direct services to individual registrants.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin

-- 
Thank you,
Steven 
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