[ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on IRR Route Validation. attorney client communication.

[John Curran]

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    For clarity, ARIN's General Counsel Steve Ryan was responding to the question
    "Why should anybody else then Microsoft, be allowed to create route-objects 
    that cover Microsoft space?" that was being asked, as it seemed to be 
    soliciting some detailed information about Microsoft's business & services.

    Folks are free to provide information about whether their company would
    find specific ARIN services useful or not, but refrain from questioning 
    each other (even incidentally) about your business plans and service 
    details, as in some contexts questions those are sort of question that 
    can raise anti-trust issues.

    In this particular case, Job was just pointing out the rather wide-open 
    nature of the present IRR service and anyone's ability to add objects,
    not really asking Microsoft specifics of its plans...   It's good to see 
    the our General Counsel in action, and his diligence in picking up on a 
    remark that without clear context could be the sort that raises concern.

    Please continue to discuss merits and issues with the present IRR services 
    and possible future direction - it has been most informative.  :-)

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

> On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Ryan, Stephen <SRyan at mwe.com> wrote:
> 
> Counsel's Note:
> 
> Participants in this discussion are respectfully requested and  directed to confine the discussion to 'policy' issues. The reference to individual plans of a company, i.e. MS here,  are unwelcome unless absolutely necessary, something I cannot yet  judge. Please exercise caution and refrain from references to the business plans of individual companies.
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> Steve Ryan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-consult-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-consult-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Job Snijders
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:36 AM
> To: David Huberman
> Cc: arin-consult at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Community Consultation on IRR Route Validation
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 01:15:37PM +0000, David Huberman wrote:
>> My viewpoint is AS8075 will not use it.  Like hundreds|thousands of
>> others operators, we use RADB (a paid service with an SLA that works)
>> for our IRR entries.
> 
> Which part works? You realise that anybody can register anything for any prefix in RADB right? ARIN now has a chance to step their game up and make it possible to offer better quality data.
> 
> Why should anybody else then Microsoft, be allowed to create route-objects that cover Microsoft space?
> 
>> My viewpoint is ARIN should not offer an IRR anymore, as there is too
>> much garbage data in it, and the cost of re-development efforts
>> strongly outweighs the benefits to the operational community.
> 
> This is one example how RADB can be abused:
> http://www.bgpmon.net/using-bgp-data-to-find-spammers/
> 
> Tying together RIR & IRR data allows operators to programmatically assess which parts of IRR we subsume into route-filters, and which parts we ignore because there is zero guarantee that the information is authorised.
> 
> Third party IRRs like RADB (or NTTCOM) cannot verify who is authorised to create route-objects or not.
> 
> Regarding cost: ARIN could be the fourth RIR to do RIR<>IRR coupling, after, other RIRs who offer this today: Afrinic, APNIC & RIPE. This is not a new concept and code already exists. An undertaking like this of course has a pricetag, however I'd be hesitant to claim that the cost will outweight the benefits.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Job
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