[ARIN-consult] [arin-announce] Fee Schedule Change Consultation

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Thu Nov 15 16:31:26 EST 2012

On Nov 15, 2012, at 13:12 , William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> I actually like this. I support this proposal.
> As do I with two caveats:
> 1. Don't describe it as "unpaid fees," describe it as an "accrued
> transfer fee for registrations not held under a registration services
> agreement" or something similarly neutral. Negative words like
> "unpaid" imply a penalty and this isn't supposed to be a penalty for
> anyone.

I'm neutral on this.

> 2. Don't refuse to interact with a registrant on matters unrelated to
> the legacy registration. Tell a legacy registrant he can't have IPv6
> addresses unless he first signs over his IPv4 addresses and you make
> that registrant's choice an easy one: no IPv6 this year.

Agreed, but, I would say do not issue additional ASN or IPv4 resources
without first resolving the fee and contract issue on the existing resources.


> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 20:14 , Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/14/12, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 14, 2012, at 07:52 , Brian Johnson <bjohnson at drtel.com> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> 1.   Discontinue services to legacy holders that don't start paying.
>>> There is another possibility...   don't discontinue anything to
>>> non-LRSA signees, but retain the usage "tracking" data necessary to
>>> calculate a fee assessment amount for legacy holders who have not
>>> paid, according to the ordinary fee schedule,  all past unpaid fees
>>> since a certain date,  plus compound interest at prime rate plus 5%
>>> over that period.    Require payment of the tracked amount, and signed
>>> RSA, before any resources can be transferred in or out,  or new
>>> resources can be  requested.
>>> In this manner,  legacy holders  are still assessed the fees.
>>> If they fail or refuse to pay, they are not denied   "legacy services".
>>> There are no consequences until they need to transfer resources in or out,
>>> or obtain new resources from ARIN  (e.g. IPv6 resources or additional AS number)
>>>> 2.   Treat LRSA Signatories as a group that isn't subjected to the new fees.
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