Blah blah is right.....

[Kim Hubbard]

>
Mr. Gersten,

ARIN will NOT be taking all of the unallocated space.  The InterNIC does
not have all of the unallocated space.  The IANA controls all of the
unallocated space and will issue it to ARIN in the same fashion it currently
issues to RIPE, APNIC and InterNIC.

Kim Hubbard


> Larry writes:
> 
> >Jim Fleming wrote:
> >> 
> >> If more companies had been allowed to develop
> >> more Registry Industy Infrastructure during the
> >> past 18 months, rather than debate how many
> >> IAHCs or ARINs can dance on the head of a pin,
> >> then we would all be much further, at least here in
> >> the U.S.
> >> 
> >This is purely conjectural. It seems to me, rather, that no entity would
> >have achieved the critical mass needed to become the authoritative
> >reference which permits little folks like my Aunt Sue to cruise the net
> >and look at the latest and greatest thing from "coke.com" or "uiuc.edu".
> >You may, for your own reasons, wish to inhabit a world where standards
> >do not exist, or where you, Jim Fleming, can personally establish them
> >by fiat. (It seems to me that much of your argument can be lumped into
> >the "sour grapes - why NIC/ARIN/whoever and not *ME* *ME* ME*"
> >category), but aside from that, I fail to see two important things which
> >you claim to be self-evident (and NEVER spell out in a concise reply,
> >without burying your intent in "see this RFC" "look at this page") 
> >
> >a) exactly where do you see "billions" of annual dollars in the registry
> >business coming from, (and why this should be seen as a good thing and
> >not a useless transfer of wealth to a new class of middlemen) and 
> >
> >b) how will the many actual end-users of existing registry services be
> >*persuaded* (that is, not *mandated* by you or anyone else) to use the
> >plethora of sixty zillion new registries?
> >
> >Have you ever read the part about the Tower of Babel?
> >
> >/Larry
> >
> >also known to his slavish minions as .... "/0"
> 
> Ok Larry, lets spell out the number one value added service that
> anyone in the registry business -- whether DNS or IP address --
> has to provide: Lawsuit insurance.
> 
> There was a time when the Internet was small, and addresses could
> be given out without worry, names also.
> 
> Then, the net grew.
> 
> Suddenly, the address system was not going to work. The internet
> was litterally going to break under it's own weight (size of
> routing tables, cost of memory, lack of CPU in some cases (Hi
> Agis!) to search the routing table or merge in new updates from
> neighbor sites). All the people involved -- NSI who was allocating
> addresses, or co-ordinating the allocation when they were not actually
> allocating, the major routers, and major unix vendors, aligned on
> CIDR, even if they thought that there was better, because there
> wasn't time to develope something better.
> 
> Now, people started to notice the NSI.
> 
> The net continued to grow. Trademarks and the DNS became hot.
> 
> People realized where this would go in a society as lawsuit happy
> as ours. The original proposal (Postel) for DNS registries was about --
> and stated so in the drafts -- providing sufficient funding to
> create a legal entity that could withstand lawsuits.
> 
> Now, the address allocation scheme has come under attack for mucht
> the same reason. People are not trusting the NSI, because they
> feel that the NSI has shown that it completely failed to handle/
> hand off the DNS issue in any reasonable manner. So, they now want
> the NSI out of the IP business, while it can be done in an orderly
> fashion, before it gets to be another "We don't have time to do something
> good, just implement CIDR2".
> 
> That means coming up with something else. But instead of coming up
> with something good, they came up with ARIN. ARIN looks like a
> big, fat, deep pocket target for lawsuits. And, it wants to take
> most or all of the unallocated addresses with it.
> 
> Why even give it to ARIN in the first place? As someone else said,
> what if a lawsuit against the NSI wins, and the NSI goes bankrupt?
> 
> ** ALL OF THE REGISTRY BUSINESS ULTIMATELY IS ABOUT LAWSUIT INSURANCE **
> 
> Anyone who is even thinking of going into this in any way must keep
> this in mind.
> 
> Now, ARIN might be a really good idea. We'll never know from just
> a proposal on paper. We'll only know if it tries and succedes.
> Or if it tries and fails. That means it has to be started.
> 
> But it can start with just a /8, and someone else can come along
> later with another idea. It doesn't need to have everything that
> has not been given out to other IP allocators. And, if it only
> gets a /8, then there's plenty of large blocks to give out to other
> people who want to set things up.
> 
> Now, someone who knows the unallocated layout better than I do might
> be able to say whether a /8 or a /10 (or even a /12) would be a better
> choice.
> 
> Incidently, in the DNS field, eDNS is doing something similar. They
> are establishing a system of registering registries for top level domains.
> They are setting themselves up as a "zero pocket" target -- absolutely
> no funds needed or taken. Last I checked, they had one client, Alternic,
> which does take funds, and would be the lawsuit target. But eDNS is
> a simple, neutral co-ordinator of all the TLD's from any registry.
> (Yes, they support all the "standard" TLD's.)
> 
> 		Michael
>