Global council of registries???

[Jim Fleming]

On Monday, April 28, 1997 12:23 PM, Philip J. Nesser II[SMTP:pjnesser at MARTIGNY.AI.MIT.EDU] wrote:
@ Jim Fleming supposedly said:
@ > 
@ > My plan calls for these allocations to be "converted"
@ > not taken away.
@ > 
@ 
@ Who decides who gets converted?  How do you decide it?  How to you know how
@ much address space MIT (in this example) is actually using?  Who does this
@ audit?  To carve out your 3000 /18's below you will leave MIT with exactly
@ -769654784 IP addresses to use.  I guess they will have to go take all of
@ Stanfords, BBN's and DEC's just to make up the diference.
@ 

All of the allocations would not come from
the MIT registry. I guess that was not obvious.

If there are 50 InterNIC clones created then each
clone would only have to make 60 of the /18 allocations
to the ISPs. That should not be a difficult side-line
to add to one of the operational TLD registries that
are starting to appear.

@ > For example, let's say people generally agree that the
@ > routing tables can handle another 3,000 routes for /18s
@ > allocated to ISPs. Let's say the NSF gives MIT $3,000,000
@ > of the Internet Infrastructure Fund to develop a system
@ > that evaluates which ISPs should get those allocations
@ > based on some "objective criteria" and not based on who
@ > took who to lunch.
@ > 
@ > Would MIT be able to carve those allocations out of
@ > the /8 space it has and set up a system to help educate
@ > ISPs and to make the allocations to the ISPs ?
@ 
@ Absolutely not.  (Amazing how math actually works out)
@ 
@ > 
@ > Would the Internet be better served by having better
@ > educated ISPs ?
@ 
@ Why should anyone pay to educate ISP's?  They are businesses.  They need to
@ educate themselves and pay for their training.  Hey, I would prefer that my
@ auto mechanic was better trained and I would be better served by them
@ becuase of it, but should the government pay for it?  No.  Should tax
@ dollors pay for it?  No.
@ 

OK...thanks for your viewpoint...
I wonder if the reverse is true ???

@ > 
@ > The entire IPv4 address space must be evaluated
@ > as one space. The same rules should apply to the
@ > entire space as much as possible.
@ 
@ I disagree.  I think any allocations made within a given time frame should
@ be exactly similar but we can't change history nor can we forsee the
@ future.  IPv6 may catch on quickly and all of the scrimping of IPv4 space
@ will have been useless becuase it isn't needed except for legacy systems.
@ We need to do the best we can go forward.
@ 

I think that we need to agree to disagree.
IPv6 does not solve the routing problem
and IPv4 is going to be here a long time.
There are solutions that recognize this.

@ I think it would be a wonderful move for organizations with unused IP space
@ to donate it back to the address pool (see RFC 1917 of which I am the
@ author) but I can't see forcing people to do it.  And for the record BBN
@ has been excellent in this regard and has returned several /8's already.
@ 

Just not MIT...

@ > 
@ > BTW, have you ever computed what a small percentage
@ > of the space that ISPs actually have ?
@ 
@ Your point?  
@ 

The point is that ISPs seem to be accused of
exhausting the IPv4 address space. This is just
not the case.

@ > Have you computed the costs to ISPs (businesses)
@ > for all of the InterNIC run-arounds they have endured ?
@ > Who is going to pay for those costs ?
@ 
@ Have you computed the costs to businesses for all of the government
@ run-arounds they have endured?  Who is going to pay for those costs?  
@ 
@ Have you computed the costs to businesses for all of the parts supply
@ run-arounds they have endured?  Who is going to pay for those costs?
@ 
@ The point being, there is a cost for doing business.  If you can't handle
@ it then you go out of business.  Once again I don't believe that the
@ government should fund the inadequacy of an ISP.
@ 

I wonder if you feel the reverse is true...?

Thanks for your comments. To summarize,
I suspect you do not mind if all of the businesses
that are trying to survive, just move forward and
get on with the tasks in front of them.

If this includes the creation of many new companies
in the Registry Industry to handle all aspects of
Internet Resource allocation, I assume that you
will not mind. After all, you more or less said they
are on their own and will get no help from you.

I wonder if the reverse is true...?

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Jim Fleming
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