[Iana-transition] What form of supervision is needed?

Thu Oct 16 19:59:04 EDT 2014

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com>
wrote:

> Sean,
>
> Just a clarification...  when you say
> "what is however important for me is making sure that the RIR community
> remains the ultimate source of allocation administration."
>
> Do you mean it is important that the policy that the IANA operators follow
> are the ones generated by the agreement of the 5 RIRs through the GPDP?
>

Exactly...and thanks for writing it better ;)

Cheers!

>
> Or do you mean something else?
>
> ___Jason
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless I am mistaken, the RIRs are paying something like US $ 800'000 per
>>> year to ICANN.
>>>
>>> I imnagine that the NROs could provide the IANA function for considerably
>>> less than that.
>>>
>>
>> I think there is a reason why its called Internet cooperation for
>> assigned names and numbers (ICANN) ;)
>>
>> I personally have no problem with who keeps allocation records, what is
>> however important for me is making sure that the RIR community remains the
>> ultimate source of allocation administration. At the moment the RIRs
>> are[1], making sure such status will not get repelled/daunted would be the
>> ultimate goal.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> 1. Although not in its entirety, considering the global policy
>> development approval process.
>>
>>
>>> Best,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: David Huberman [mailto:David.Huberman at microsoft.com]
>>> > Sent: jeudi, 16. octobre 2014 19:36
>>> > To: John Curran; rhill at hill-a.ch
>>> > Cc: iana-transition at arin.net
>>> > Subject: Re: [Iana-transition] What form of supervision is needed?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regardless of any work that would need to be done, I support the
>>> > idea of transitioning the traditional IANA addressing functions
>>> > to the NRO. The IANA was run for decades as one person. The NRO
>>> > can hire Leo Vegoda or someone else to perform that role. Funding
>>> > can come directly from the NRO participants with no fee increase
>>> > - just drop the significant money being paid to ICANN today.
>>> >
>>> > Bottom line for me: ICANN is not the appropriate vehicle for the
>>> > IANA function. We engineers need to take back control of the
>>> > engineering functions of IANA, wresting it away from professional
>>> > do-nothings and lawyers (save our own lawyers, who of course, we love).
>>> >
>>> > David R Huberman
>>> > Microsoft Corporation
>>> > Principal, Global IP Addressing
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________________
>>> > From: iana-transition-bounces at arin.net
>>> > <iana-transition-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of John Curran
>>> > <jcurran at arin.net>
>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:06:17 AM
>>> > To: rhill at hill-a.ch
>>> > Cc: iana-transition at arin.net
>>> > Subject: Re: [Iana-transition] What form of supervision is needed?
>>> >
>>> > On Oct 16, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > As far as I can tell, ICANN properly speaking does the
>>> > following things with
>>> > > respect to IP addresses:
>>> > >
>>> > > 1. Approves the creation of new RIRs
>>> > > 2. Ratifies the policies approved by the RIRs
>>> > >
>>> > > And, through the IANA function, it does the following:
>>> > >
>>> > > 3. Allocates top-level IP address blocks to the RIRs
>>> > > 4. Publishes those allocations on its web site
>>> > >
>>> > > One could envisage transferring all those functions to the NRO,
>>> > which would
>>> > > in effect mean that the RIRs would be supervising those
>>> > functions.  Since
>>> > > the RIRs are responsible to their members, that would mean that
>>> > the members
>>> > > of the RIRs would be supervising those functions.
>>> >
>>> > Richard -
>>> >
>>> > This is certainly possible, but it is worth noting that the NRO is a
>>> > rather lightweight coordination function among the RIRs, allowing the
>>> > RIRs to coordinate on matters such as "whether we'll have an joint RIR
>>> > trade show booth at a given international conference", "can we work on
>>> > one informational brochure on IPv4 runout/IPv6 rather than having
>>> five",
>>> > "can we have a single joint number resource statistics report", etc.
>>> >
>>> > In these cases, each RIR is fulfilling each existing mission and
>>> operating
>>> > plans, only coordinating with other RIRs to do so in a more efficient
>>> and
>>> > consistent manner.  Ultimately, each RIR acts under its own authority
>>> on
>>> > matters which are primarily outreach and operational in nature.
>>> >
>>> > Expanding the NRO to take on the functions listed could be done, but
>>> would
>>> > represent a fairly substantial change in the level of responsibility,
>>> and
>>> > may need to be accompanied by both organizational changes (e.g.
>>> actually
>>> > incorporating the NRO) and accountability changes (e.g. more than
>>> simply
>>> > to the RIR executive directors, as it is at present.)
>>> >
>>> > If this approach were to be promoted, it would be good to have ample
>>> > discussion on this list first, including the aspects noted above.
>>> >
>>> > /John
>>> >
>>> > John Curran
>>> > President and CEO
>>> > ARIN
>>> >
>>> >
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