Request for CLEW Input

Howard C. Berkowitz hcb at clark.net
Wed Feb 28 09:39:35 EST 2001


>Hello Howard,
>
>>  In one of my presentations to NANOG last week, the vast majority of
>>  questions related to obtaining and justifying address space. In
>>  particular, North American ISPs complained about how their requests
>>  for their customers to justify assignments and usage were resented,
>
>One of our duties as a RIR is to ensure the IP address space we
>allocate is justified and that it is efficiently utilized.  This
>is the practice of all three RIRs.
>
>>  and how competitors' sales people often used that as a wedge "we'll
>>  give you a /24, or whatever, if you change your service to us.  We
>>  won't hassle you with all the paperwork the incumbent is demanding."
>
>ARIN has no control over the tactics that may be used by the sales
>forces of some ISPs, but we do ensure requests submitted to ARIN for
>IP address space are all reviewed in an equal manner.  If an ISP has
>deployed a sales tactic like this it should show up during their
>review for additional IP address space from ARIN.


I agree, Richard. This is the way it should work.  But right now, 
there isn't any good way for the ISP playing nicely to show 
independent, readable documentation to his customer to say that the 
ISP _can't_ make a practice of just handing out address space.

If you, as a provider, do tell some customers that inappropriate 
assignments will show up in their future reviews, you are apt to get 
a response of "so what? I need address space now. It's your problem 
in the future; handle it." I've run across enterprises that have a 
mentality of "if you have space in your allocation, give it to us NOW 
if you want our business."  And we have sales people that will do 
just that, because the next review period is later than the next 
computation of their sales commissions.

>
>>  This seems to be far less of a problem in Europe, and I'm beginning
>>  to think the RIPE NCC model of LIR's (as distinct from generic
>>  members) is part of the solution.  A LIR can present itself as a
>>  steward of address space, much as a CPA or physician is expected to
>>  exercise independent professional integrity.
>
>I believe there is no difference between an ISP who is a member
>in the ARIN region and a LIR in the RIPE NCC who is a member in
>regard to stewardship of IP address space.

 From a process design standpoint, I am in complete agreement.  From a 
customer perception standpoint, I don't think the information to 
justify this is in the minds of the end users.

The problem isn't with the ARIN staff.  Indeed, there is, I believe a 
fair bit of unjustified hostility toward ARIN, when direct allocation 
requests (or additional allocation requests) are denied due to 
inadequate justification.



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