Request for CLEW Input

[Jim Fleming]

Have you ever been a "customer" of ARIN ?

Jim Fleming
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-----Original Message-----
From: clew-request at arin.net [mailto:clew-request at arin.net]On Behalf Of
Richard Jimmerson
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:59 AM
To: 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; clew at arin.net
Subject: RE: Request for CLEW Input


Hello Howard,

> In one of my presentations to NANOG last week, the vast majority of 
> questions related to obtaining and justifying address space. In 
> particular, North American ISPs complained about how their requests 
> for their customers to justify assignments and usage were resented, 

One of our duties as a RIR is to ensure the IP address space we
allocate is justified and that it is efficiently utilized.  This
is the practice of all three RIRs.

> and how competitors' sales people often used that as a wedge "we'll 
> give you a /24, or whatever, if you change your service to us.  We 
> won't hassle you with all the paperwork the incumbent is demanding."

ARIN has no control over the tactics that may be used by the sales
forces of some ISPs, but we do ensure requests submitted to ARIN for
IP address space are all reviewed in an equal manner.  If an ISP has
deployed a sales tactic like this it should show up during their
review for additional IP address space from ARIN.

> This seems to be far less of a problem in Europe, and I'm beginning 
> to think the RIPE NCC model of LIR's (as distinct from generic 
> members) is part of the solution.  A LIR can present itself as a 
> steward of address space, much as a CPA or physician is expected to 
> exercise independent professional integrity.

I believe there is no difference between an ISP who is a member
in the ARIN region and a LIR in the RIPE NCC who is a member in 
regard to stewardship of IP address space.

-Richard Jimmerson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: clew-request at arin.net [mailto:clew-request at arin.net]On Behalf Of
> Howard C. Berkowitz
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 12:26 AM
> To: clew at arin.net
> Subject: Re: Request for CLEW Input
> 
> 
> In one of my presentations to NANOG last week, the vast majority of 
> questions related to obtaining and justifying address space. In 
> particular, North American ISPs complained about how their requests 
> for their customers to justify assignments and usage were resented, 
> and how competitors' sales people often used that as a wedge "we'll 
> give you a /24, or whatever, if you change your service to us.  We 
> won't hassle you with all the paperwork the incumbent is demanding."
> 
> This seems to be far less of a problem in Europe, and I'm beginning 
> to think the RIPE NCC model of LIR's (as distinct from generic 
> members) is part of the solution.  A LIR can present itself as a 
> steward of address space, much as a CPA or physician is expected to 
> exercise independent professional integrity.
> 
> Frankly, I'm becoming less and less clear why someone becomes an ARIN 
> member other than generically supporting part of the Internet 
> structure. There's much more justification to become a RIPE LIR.
> 
> 
> >  > Member Services is discussing what kind of increased 
> benefits ARIN can
> >>  offer its Members. One consideration is the reinstatement of a
> >>  Members-only website for providing news, training and 
> other items of
> >>  interest to the Members.
> >>
> >>  What content would you like to see on this site?  Be 
> specific please.  Are
> >>  there items you would take off the public site and make 
> available for use
> >>  only by Members? A dynamic website could be useful not 
> only to current
> >>  Members, but also for bringing new entities into ARIN's 
> membership.
> >>
> >>  Please consider this matter and send suggestions to the 
> CLEW list in
> >>  preparation for the upcoming Members Meeting.
> >>
> >Regards,
> >
> >Barry Skeenes
> >Technical Writer
> >AMERICAN REGISTRY FOR INTERNET NUMBERS
> >bskeenes at arin.net
> >703-227-9854