[arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback

[Martin Hannigan]

A ballpark cost estimate would be helpful.



On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 15:42 David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
wrote:

> Doug,
>
> While I agree that expenses should not be the first consideration when
> evaluating policy, at least usually.
>
> Nevertheless, the staff and legal review for this policy, dated June 3rd,
> warns, "Proper implementation will require significant investment to
> determine the full extent of the legal, operational, and compliance
> adaptations necessary, as well as determining resulting implementation
> cost."
>
> That raises a serious question about what this policy would cost, and not
> just the simple expense of it, but also the legal, operational, and
> compliance consequences to the organization. Those can be boiled down to
> expenses, but from a policy perspective, those are more than just expenses,
> and the consideration of those consequences becomes central to
> evaluating this policy.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 1:44 PM Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott -
>>
>> I think the intent is to suggest that the community first focus on the
>> merits of the policy ahead the costs. This does not mean cost is never a
>> consideration, but at this juncture - this draft policy is brand new and
>> only received an early staff and legal because of its legal implications -
>> the questions to the community revolve around “is this good policy or not."
>>
>> Hope that helps -
>>
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Douglas J. Camin
>>
>> doug at dougcamin.com
>> *From: *Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Friday, July 11, 2025 at 1:31 PM
>> *To: *arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>, Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural
>> Persons -- Request for Feedback
>>
>> I wholeheartedly disagree. If the benefits of the policy change don’t
>> exceed the costs, it’s not good policy. I’m not convinced we haven’t
>> already wasted more of our collective time discussing this policy than will
>> ever be saved by the small number of individuals who’d benefit from it
>> (those who can’t easily apply as sole proprietors).
>>
>> -Scott
>> On Jul 11, 2025 at 9:43 AM -0700, Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com>,
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Xavier -
>>
>> Appreciate the feedback and question. When considering policy, it’s
>> encouraged to consider the policy exclusively on the merits and not on
>> cost. If it’s good policy, it should be implemented and if not, it should
>> be abandoned. This keeps us focused on whether policy is sound or not. A
>> sound policy can be expensive, and an unsound one can be cheap.
>>
>> Hope that helps, though I know it doesn’t directly answer your question -
>> we’d love to get your feedback on your views on what we should do with the
>> policy.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Douglas J. Camin
>> ARIN Advisory Council
>> doug at dougcamin.com
>>
>> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Xavier via
>> ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>> *Date:* Thursday, July 10, 2025 at 8:33 PM
>> *To:* Elizabeth Goodson <elizabeth.goodson at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* ARIN-PPML at arin.net <ARIN-PPML at arin.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural
>> Persons -- Request for Feedback
>>
>>
>> My feedback on this policy depends on what the "implementation cost"
>> (referenced in the last paragraph of the Legal Review section) will be.
>> Making it easier to access resources is probably worth $10,000 but is
>> probably not worth $250,000, IMO. Do we have a ballpark estimate?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Xavier Clark
>>
>> On Thursday, July 10th, 2025 at 7:27 PM, Elizabeth Goodson <
>> elizabeth.goodson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello PPML,
>>
>> I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're seeking
>> direction from the community as to how the AC should proceed with this
>> policy. There was robust conversation on PPML in late May and early June,
>> which tapered off quickly after the ARIN Staff and Legal analysis was
>> published.
>>
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025
>>
>>
>> Should we
>> - abandon this policy,
>> - accept this policy as written, or
>> - continue to revise this policy?
>>
>> We appreciate your feedback.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Liz Goodson
>>
>>
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