[arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2024-1: Definition of Organization ID/Org ID

[David Farmer]

In reviewing the NRPM, "organization ID" is used only twice: in the
Multiple Discrete Network network policies for IPv4 and IPv6, 4.5 and 6.11,
respectively.

"Organizations with multiple discrete networks desiring to request new or
additional address space under a single Organization ID must meet the
following criteria:..."
"Organizations with multiple discrete IPv6 networks desiring to request new
or additional address space under a single Organization ID must meet the
following criteria:..."

Given the context of its use above, it does not need a formal definition
within the NRPM.

Furthermore, the problem statement provided doesn't provide a sufficient
rationale to justify adding the definition either;

"During work on a related policy proposal, the NRPM Working Group
determined that a definition of Organization Identifier (Org ID) should be
included in the NRPM to add clarity to the term and unify NRPM references
to match the use of the term in other ARIN publications such as ARIN
online."

I don't see why this definition is necessary.

Thanks.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2025 at 9:39 AM Lee Howard via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
wrote:

> I still think this proposal misses the mark. I still don't understand why
> this term needs to be defined in policy rather than in operational process.
>
> The proposed text says:
>
> "An Organization Identifier (Org ID) is a unique text label that
> represents a business, nonprofit corporation, or government entity in the
> ARIN database."
>
> If you follow the web site from "Requesting IP Addresses or ASNs" the
> first sentence is "All resource requests require an ARIN Online account
> <https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/account/> linked to either an Admin
> or Tech Point of Contact (POC) record
> <https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/account/records/poc/#creating-a-poc> with
> the authority to request resources for a valid Organization Identifier (Org
> ID)." Follow the ARIN Online link to a page that says:
> "An Org ID represents a business, nonprofit corporation, or government
> entity in the ARIN database. The Org ID is defined by a legal name, postal
> address, and points of contact."
>
> So the term is already defined on the web site in exactly the proposed
> words.
>
>
> There's no such field in the ARIN database. There's a "Full Name" and a
> "Handle" in the Org object, e.g.
> https://search.arin.net/rdap/?query=ARINOPS&searchFilter=entity. There's
> also an "Address", and related POC objects. Which one is the Org ID? Or is
> it the concatenation of all of those (since "The Org ID is defined by a
> legal name, postal address, and points of contact.")?
>
> I *think* we mean the Handle when we say Org ID, but you could never
> guess that from the definition.
>
> Please, let us try to use consistent language so somebody new to the
> process can understand it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lee
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2025 at 04:46:48 PM EST, ARIN <info at arin.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> The following Draft Policy has been revised:
>
> * ARIN-2024-1: Definition of Organization ID/Org ID
>
> Revised text is below and can be found at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_1/
>
> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
> evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with
> ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the
> Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
>
> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
> * Technically Sound
> * Supported by the Community
>
> The PDP can be found at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
>
> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Eddie Diego
> Policy Analyst
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>
>
> Draft Policy ARIN-2024-1: Definition of Organization ID/Org ID
>
> Problem Statement:
>
> During work on a related policy proposal, the NRPM Working Group
> determined that a definition of Organization Identifier (Org ID) should be
> included in the NRPM to add clarity to the term and unify NRPM references
> to match the use of the term in other ARIN publications such as ARIN online.
>
> Policy Statement:
>
> Current: None
>
> Proposed:
>
> Section 2.18. Organization Identifier (Org ID)
>
> An Organization Identifier (Org ID) is a unique text label that represents
> a business, nonprofit corporation, or government entity in the ARIN
> database.
>
> Comments:
>
> This definition had previously been included in an earlier policy proposal
> (ARIN-2023-7), but community feedback recommendations on that proposal
> showed a preference for adding the definition separately from that
> proposal. As such the definition is now being proposed as a standalone
> proposal, and the language will be removed from the current ARIN-2023-7
> proposal, allowing the two sections of that proposal to be evaluated
> separately.
>
> Timetable for Implementation: Immediate
>
>
>
>
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