<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">In reviewing the NRPM, "organization ID" is used only twice: in the Multiple Discrete Network network policies for IPv4 and IPv6, 4.5 and 6.11, respectively.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"Organizations with multiple discrete networks desiring to request new or additional address space under a single Organization ID must meet the following criteria:..."</div><div dir="ltr">"Organizations with multiple discrete IPv6 networks desiring to request new or additional address space under a single Organization ID must meet the following criteria:..."</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Given the context of its use above, it does not need a formal definition within the NRPM. </div><div><br></div><div>Furthermore, the problem statement provided doesn't provide a sufficient rationale to justify adding the definition either;</div><div><br></div><div>"During work on a related policy proposal, the NRPM Working Group determined that a definition of Organization Identifier (Org ID) should be included in the NRPM to add clarity to the term and unify NRPM references to match the use of the term in other ARIN publications such as ARIN online."</div><div><br></div><div>I don't see why this definition is necessary.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2025 at 9:39 AM Lee Howard via ARIN-PPML <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"></div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px">I still think this proposal misses the mark. I still don't understand why this term needs to be defined in policy rather than in operational process.</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px">The proposed text says:</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div dir="ltr">"<span style="font-family:system-ui,-apple-system,"Segoe UI",Roboto,"Helvetica Neue",Arial,"Noto Sans","Liberation Sans",sans-serif,"Apple Color Emoji","Segoe UI Emoji","Segoe UI Symbol","Noto Color Emoji";font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">An Organization Identifier (Org ID) is a unique text label that represents a business, nonprofit corporation, or government entity in the ARIN database."</span><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><font size="3">If you follow the web site from "Requesting IP Addresses or ASNs" the first sentence is "<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">All resource requests require an </span><a href="https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/account/" style="color:rgb(0,122,153);text-decoration-line:underline" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ARIN Online account</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"> linked to either an </span><a href="https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/account/records/poc/#creating-a-poc" style="color:rgb(0,122,153);text-decoration-line:underline" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Admin or Tech Point of Contact (POC) record</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"> with the authority to request resources for a valid Organization Identifier (Org ID)." Follow the ARIN Online link to a page that says:</span></font></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><font color="#333333" size="3">"An Org ID represents a business, nonprofit corporation, or government entity in the ARIN database. The Org ID is defined by a legal name, postal address, and points of contact." </font></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><font color="#333333" size="3"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><font color="#333333" size="3">So the term is already defined on the web site in exactly the proposed words.</font></div><div><font color="#333333" size="3"><br></font></div></div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="3">There's no such field in the ARIN database. </font><span style="font-size:medium">There's a "Full Name" and a "Handle" in the Org object, e.g. </span> <a href="https://search.arin.net/rdap/?query=ARINOPS&searchFilter=entity" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://search.arin.net/rdap/?query=ARINOPS&searchFilter=entity</a>. There's also an "Address", and related POC objects. Which one is the Org ID? Or is it the concatenation of all of those (since "<span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:medium">The Org ID is defined by a legal name, postal address, and points of contact.")</span></span>? </div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">I <i>think</i> we mean the Handle when we say Org ID, but you could never guess that from the definition.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px" dir="ltr">Please, let us try to use consistent language so somebody new to the process can understand it.</div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px" dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px" dir="ltr">Thanks,</div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px" dir="ltr"><br></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px" dir="ltr">Lee</div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><br></div></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><br></div></div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><br></div>
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<div><div dir="ltr">The following Draft Policy has been revised:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">* ARIN-2024-1: Definition of Organization ID/Org ID <br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Revised text is below and can be found at:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_1/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_1/</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration<br></div><div dir="ltr">* Technically Sound<br></div><div dir="ltr">* Supported by the Community<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">The PDP can be found at:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Regards,<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr">Eddie Diego<br></div><div dir="ltr">Policy Analyst<br></div><div dir="ltr">American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Draft Policy ARIN-2024-1: Definition of Organization ID/Org ID <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Problem Statement:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">During work on a related policy proposal, the NRPM Working Group determined that a definition of Organization Identifier (Org ID) should be included in the NRPM to add clarity to the term and unify NRPM references to match the use of the term in other ARIN publications such as ARIN online.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Policy Statement:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Current: None<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Proposed:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Section 2.18. Organization Identifier (Org ID)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">An Organization Identifier (Org ID) is a unique text label that represents a business, nonprofit corporation, or government entity in the ARIN database.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Comments:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This definition had previously been included in an earlier policy proposal (ARIN-2023-7), but community feedback recommendations on that proposal showed a preference for adding the definition separately from that proposal. As such the definition is now being proposed as a standalone proposal, and the language will be removed from the current ARIN-2023-7 proposal, allowing the two sections of that proposal to be evaluated separately.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Timetable for Implementation: Immediate<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">ARIN-PPML<br></div><div dir="ltr">You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br></div><div dir="ltr">the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br></div><div dir="ltr">Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues.<br></div></div>
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