[arin-ppml] Distributing Resources for Individuals – Next Steps
Mohibul Mahmud
mhasib at gmail.com
Mon Apr 28 09:09:24 EDT 2025
Hello Jordi,
Thank you very much for providing the detailed overview of how other RIRs
handle resource distribution to individuals.
It’s very helpful to see the different practices and challenges clearly
laid out.
I agree that having proper but practical identity verification processes is
important, and it’s encouraging to know that other regions have found
workable solutions.
This information will definitely help the ARIN community as we continue
discussing the best way forward.
Thank you again for your valuable input!
Best regards,
Mohibul
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> 1. Re: Distributing Resources for Individuals ? Next Steps
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> Hi Mohibul, all,
>
> I?ve already asked the staff of the 3 RIRs that support individuals (with
> and without economical activity) to obtain resources, and this is the
> summary:
>
> 1) RIPE NCC: About 5% of their members are natural persons (around 3% with
> a registered business and 2% without). I believe that the number of members
> at the end of 2024 was 20.167, so we are talking about 1.008 natural
> persons, from those 605 with registered business, 403 without.
>
> 2) APNIC: 5-10 members accounts have been created by natural persons (I
> understand this is without economic activity, because the next sentence in
> their response). Majority of APNIC Member are incorporated organizations
> but we also have quite a few sole trader type Members.
>
> 3) AFRINIC: There is no explicit mention in the legal documents or
> policies about ?individuals?, but it is clearly mention in the web site,
> that individuals will qualify as end-users. However, up to date, they don?t
> have any individual that has obtained resources.
>
> 4) LACNIC: The BIG problems here is that the policy manual literally
> forbids individuals, because it say literally ?The numbering resources
> under the stewardship of LACNIC must be distributed among organizations
> legally constituted within its service region?. However, the impact
> analysis of my policy proposal to change it said that LACNIC interprets
> ?organizations legally constituted? as both juridical persons or physical
> persons if they are registered in any of the legally valid self-employed
> systems. In my opinion this is a big problem, because never it is a legally
> valid interpretation to say that a physical person is an organization
> legally constituted. So this MUST BE clarified, otherwise, an individual
> with economical activity, when reading policies will interpret ?I?m not
> eligible for acquiring resources?, and typically will not ask to LACNIC.
> This is independent to the discussion of physical persons without economic
> activity (or registration), to be able to get resources. The
> argument from LACNIC is that physical persons aren?t registered into a
> tax system (which I guess is wrong), and documents can be falsified ? I
> prefer to refrain to comment on this ?
>
> Regarding your 2nd point below, I think there are several ways to be able
> to verify documents from physical persons. I know RIPE NCC is doing it, but
> I?ve suffered this personally in several occasions to verify my identity
> for different processes in different regions. So clearly it can be done,
> and I don?t think there are ?more? chances to miss a falsified document in
> one or the other case, just depends on how good is the process.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
>
> > El 28 abr 2025, a las 2:06, Mohibul Mahmud <mhasib at gmail.com> escribi?:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Distributing Resources for Individuals ? Next
> Steps
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Thank you, Preston, for taking the initiative to submit an official
> policy proposal regarding the distribution of resources to individuals.
> >
> > I truly appreciate the thoughtful discussions that have taken place on
> this topic over the past few weeks.
> >
> > As someone who initially suggested that ARIN study the practices from
> RIPE and APNIC in an official staff report (to better understand the
> trade-offs), I am pleased to see the community moving toward concrete
> action.
> >
> > I would be very interested in seeing a preliminary version of the
> proposed text, if possible, and would also encourage that we continue
> exploring:
> > Lessons learned from other RIRs' approaches to individual allocations.
> > Potential operational impacts (verification processes, anti-abuse
> mechanisms).
> > How to maintain fairness and transparency while broadening access.
> >
> > Looking forward to continuing this conversation during ARIN 55 and
> beyond!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Mohibul
> >
> >
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> >> 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals (Preston Ursini)
> >>
> >>
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> >> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 17:10:49 -0500
> >> From: Preston Ursini <preston at thefirehorn.com <mailto:
> preston at thefirehorn.com>>
> >> To: arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
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> >> I believe there has been ample evidence from the community and first
> hand evidence introduced to justify this being made into a policy proposal.
> >>
> >> I?ve sent an official policy proposal to policy at arin.net <mailto:
> policy at arin.net> <mailto:policy at arin.net <mailto:policy at arin.net>> ;
> hopefully this can be shepherded in with full ARIN support by ARIN 56, with
> some sort of preliminary discussion even possible at ARIN 55.
> >>
> >> Preston Louis Ursini
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Apr 21, 2025, at 4:28?PM, arin-ppml-request at arin.net <mailto:
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> >> > 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals (Mohibul Mahmud)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> > Message: 1
> >> > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 17:28:36 -0400
> >> > From: Mohibul Mahmud <mhasib at gmail.com <mailto:mhasib at gmail.com>>
> >> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
> >> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> >> > Message-ID:
> >> > <
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> >> >
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > Since RIPE and APNIC have variations in how individuals can receive
> >> > resources, would it make sense for ARIN to document and review
> lessons from
> >> > those models in an official staff assessment or community report?
> >> >
> >> > This might help the community better evaluate the trade-offs before
> >> > considering any changes to our own policies.
> >> >
> >> > -Mohibul
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 12:43?PM <arin-ppml-request at arin.net <mailto:
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> >> >> Today's Topics:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals (Owen DeLong)
> >> >> 2. Re: distributing resources for individuals (John Curran)
> >> >> 3. Re: distributing resources for individuals (David Farmer)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >> Message: 1
> >> >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 09:13:23 -0700
> >> >> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> >> >> To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>
> >> >> Cc: Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net <mailto:pmcnary at cameron.net>>,
> arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> >> >> Message-ID: <E660BC18-763B-49C5-903B-AF8822BFA2EB at delong.com
> <mailto:E660BC18-763B-49C5-903B-AF8822BFA2EB at delong.com>>
> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >> >>
> >> >> While your statement is technically true, what they do not provide
> is an
> >> >> authoritative proof that an entity does not exist as a legal entity
> which
> >> >> can be verified. In fact, not all states registries will even allow
> the
> >> >> listing of sole proprietorships without a fictitious name and some
> of those
> >> >> states won?t allow fictitious name use of the individual?s legal
> name.
> >> >>
> >> >> I doubt you would find any of the following organizations which
> legally
> >> >> exist in California in the SOS registry:
> >> >> Delong Consulting
> >> >> Owen DeLong and Family
> >> >> Purple Politico
> >> >>
> >> >> This doesn?t prevent two of them from appearing on schedule C forms
> and it
> >> >> hasn?t prevented ARIN from taking money from the third for decades
> for
> >> >> resources being registered to it.
> >> >>
> >> >> ARIN?s misuse of SOS registries as an authoritative source of proof
> an
> >> >> organization doesn?t exist is what is the crux of the issue here.
> >> >>
> >> >> When DNS returns NXDOMAIN from an authoritative server, you know
> that that
> >> >> record doesn?t exist. This is not the case with SOS registries. All
> you can
> >> >> get from them is that the organization definitely exists or absent a
> >> >> record, that the organization may or may not exist.
> >> >>
> >> >> Owen
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 18:12, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:
> jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ?Paul -
> >> >>>
> >> >>> At explained to you on several occasions (including in-person at
> WISPA),
> >> >> ARIN conducts a business entity search within your state?s registry
> and
> >> >> that returns corporations, partnerships, sole proprietorships, DBA
> names,
> >> >> etc. Secretary of State business entity registries provide
> public-facing,
> >> >> authoritative records confirming that an organization exists as a
> legal
> >> >> entity which can be verified for every state in a clear, consistent,
> and
> >> >> neutral manner.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>> /John
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John Curran
> >> >>> President and CEO
> >> >>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 8:42?PM, Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net
> <mailto:pmcnary at cameron.net>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ARIN wouldn't accept my City, County, business licenses or my state
> >> >> business IDs from Department of Revenue on a business that I started
> in
> >> >> ,1979. Why?
> >> >>>
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> >> >> ------------------------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Message: 2
> >> >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 16:41:59 +0000
> >> >> From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>
> >> >> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> >> >> Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>" <
> arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> >> >> Message-ID: <81862092-4450-4E9E-9D86-C56A07EAB85F at arin.net <mailto:
> 81862092-4450-4E9E-9D86-C56A07EAB85F at arin.net>>
> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >>
> >> >> On Apr 18, 2025, at 11:42?AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:
> owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> IMHO the best tact at this point may well be to submit both ACSP and
> >> >> policy proposals which provide for ARIN to issue resources to
> individuals
> >> >> as unregistered (by state) sole proprietorships.
> >> >>
> >> >> While ARIN follows current NRPM by issuing to resources to
> organizations
> >> >> (and encourages individuals to utilize the sole proprietor option or
> dba
> >> >> for compliance), a policy change to provide number resource issuance
> >> >> specifically to individuals is certainly something that this
> community
> >> >> could consider. The problem statement would appear to be (as you
> suggest
> >> >> above) something along the lines of: ?Resolve inability of ARIN to
> >> >> issuance IPv4/IPv6/ASN number resources directly to individuals."
> >> >>
> >> >> Doing so via the policy process would make sure that any germane
> policy
> >> >> nuances (e.g. issuance to individuals under ISP vs end-user policy,
> waiting
> >> >> list policy, etc.) get appropraite consideration when applied to
> >> >> individual resource holders.
> >> >>
> >> >> (I do not believe that any ACSP is necessary, as Impact to ARIN's
> existing
> >> >> operational practices and any implications for directly serving
> individuals
> >> >> are the type of issue that can be explored in the staff and legal
> review. )
> >> >>
> >> >> FYI,
> >> >> /John
> >> >>
> >> >> John Curran
> >> >> President and CEO
> >> >> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >> >>
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> >> >> Message: 3
> >> >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 11:42:20 -0500
> >> >> From: David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu <mailto:farmer at umn.edu>>
> >> >> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> >> >> Cc: Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org <mailto:ryan at rkhtech.org>>,
> Preston Ursini
> >> >> <preston at thefirehorn.com <mailto:preston at thefirehorn.com>>,
> arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> >> >> Message-ID:
> >> >> <
> >> >> CAN-Dau1UAdbi1ojqscOSycBBdH+6XJu_rQ7kz1NroKTPFuETKg at mail.gmail.com
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> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >>
> >> >> In my view, Secretary of State (SOS) registration is an easy button
> for
> >> >> ARIN, and when available, that's fine. Nevertheless, I also expect
> ARIN to
> >> >> have processes and procedures in place when the SOS option is not
> >> >> available. A sole proprietorship that is not registered with the SOS
> is
> >> >> still a valid business in many states, and ARIN needs processes and
> >> >> procedures in place to deal with that situation.
> >> >>
> >> >> Earlier, I referenced Section 9 and the flexibility in determining
> that an
> >> >> organization is operating in the ARIN; similar flexibility is needed
> in
> >> >> determining whether an individual is operating as a business. I'll
> also
> >> >> note that Section 9 is quite clear: registration in the ARIN region
> alone
> >> >> is not sufficient to determine whether an organization is operating
> in the
> >> >> ARIN region. Similarly, a lack of registration alone should not be
> >> >> sufficient to find that an individual is not operating as a business.
> >> >>
> >> >> As to ARIN policy, it predominantly references organizations.
> Individuals
> >> >> only come up in the context of defining a Residential Customer. With
> that
> >> >> context, ARIN policy strongly assumes LIRs, ISPs, and end-users are
> >> >> organizations, not individuals.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 11:05?AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
> <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Not all states will register a sole proprietorship under a person?s
> legal
> >> >>> name, making it difficult for some sole proprietorships to clear
> ARIN?s
> >> >>> current requirements. Worse, individuals and sole proprietors who
> know
> >> >>> which buttons to push on the ARIN staff seem to be able to get
> ORG-IDs
> >> >>> without SOS registration while others seem to get rejected on that
> basis.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I?m not arguing that these ?exceptions? should go away, I?m arguing
> that
> >> >>> they should be more widely available and perhaps it is time to drop
> the
> >> >>> ?organization? pretext altogether.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Owen
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 17:54, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <
> >> >> arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ?
> >> >>> Ok, natural persons can be RIPE members in their own right, I guess
> I was
> >> >>> wrong, but you pay ?1,800 for membership. Where as with ARIN you
> start
> >> >> at
> >> >>> $250, even with potential state registration fees for a sole
> >> >>> proprietorship, you probably still come out well ahead.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 19:43 David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu <mailto:
> farmer at umn.edu>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Out of curiosity can you point me to the agreement on RIPE?s web
> site.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 19:38 Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org
> <mailto:ryan at rkhtech.org>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> David,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I signed an agreement with RIPE NCC, have an account in their
> portal,
> >> >>>>> and had an ASN + IPv6 assignment...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ryan Hamel
> >> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >> >>>>> *From:* ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:
> arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>> on behalf of David
> >> >>>>> Farmer via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:
> arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 17, 2025 6:35:37 PM
> >> >>>>> *To:* John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> *Cc:* Preston Ursini <preston at thefirehorn.com <mailto:
> preston at thefirehorn.com>>; arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>
> <
> >> >>>>> arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please
> take
> >> >>>>> care when clicking links or opening attachments.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> First, my understanding is that individuals don't get resources
> from
> >> >>>>> RIPE either; Member Organizations do. You, as an individual, get
> >> >>>>> resources from an LIR that is a RIPE Member, and the LIR gets the
> >> >>>>> resources from RIPE, maintains the relationship with RIPE, and
> assigns
> >> >>>>> them to you. As an individual, your relationship is with the LIR,
> not
> >> >> RIPE,
> >> >>>>> unless I'm completely misunderstanding RIPE's policies and
> business
> >> >>>>> practices.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> A similar arrangement could be facilitated by an LIR (also known
> as an
> >> >>>>> ISP) that is an ARIN Member Organization. That isn't as common a
> >> >> practice
> >> >>>>> here in the ARIN Region. ARIN has a lower barrier to entry and
> deals
> >> >>>>> directly with end-user organizations, but not end-users as
> individuals.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2025 at 6:51?PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net
> <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Preston -
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I don?t think any of the present discussion has been predicated on
> >> >> fraud
> >> >>>>> concerns.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> (Note that ARIN currently has some extensive anti-fraud practices
> that
> >> >>>>> include various forms of government issued ID presentation and
> >> >>>>> verification.)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>> /John
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John Curran
> >> >>>>> President and CEO
> >> >>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 7:39?PM, Preston Ursini <
> preston at thefirehorn.com <mailto:preston at thefirehorn.com>>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Would I be correct in that there hasn?t been an actually policy
> >> >> proposal
> >> >>>>> submitted for this?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I believe that whether or not this new policy were to be
> considered,
> >> >>>>> that a copy of a government issued identification document be
> >> >> submitted to
> >> >>>>> the person signing the Registration Services Agreement whenever an
> >> >> OrgID is
> >> >>>>> issued. This can help immensely in tracking down fraud which
> seems to
> >> >> be a
> >> >>>>> pillar concern.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> For simplicity sake, I?d also say in any such policy allowing an
> >> >>>>> Individual to obtain numbering assets simply be issued an OrgID
> just as
> >> >>>>> sole proprietors are as to minimize disruption to ARIN operations
> in
> >> >>>>> implementing this policy.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Preston Ursini
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 6:28?PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net
> <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Preston -
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> That?s a reasonable question (?why an individual cannot be
> accepted as
> >> >>>>> they are generally the same legal entity??)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> You?re right that a sole proprietorship is legally tied to the
> >> >>>>> individual behind it, but that doesn?t make it the same as issuing
> >> >>>>> resources to individuals. At the time of ARIN?s formation (and
> for a
> >> >>>>> suibstantial period before), number resources were issued to
> >> >> organizations.
> >> >>>>> The old netnumber.txt request forms made that clear, asking for
> ?the
> >> >>>>> organization responsible for establishing the network? along with
> a
> >> >> postal
> >> >>>>> address. That model is what ARIN inherited when it was formed in
> 1997,
> >> >> and
> >> >>>>> it?s what we continue to operate under.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> While it?s true in theory that ARIN could adopt a model where it
> >> >>>>> directly serves individuals, this would represent a significant
> >> >> departure
> >> >>>>> from the registry model we inherited and have operated under for
> >> >> decades.
> >> >>>>> Even though individuals and organizations can both be ?legal
> entities,?
> >> >>>>> that does not mean they are treated identically under law. For
> example,
> >> >>>>> companies that predominantly focus on serving businesses (often
> >> >> referred to
> >> >>>>> as B2B) are often subject to different laws, regulations, and tax
> >> >> policy
> >> >>>>> than those that hold themselves out to serve individuals. Thus,
> >> >> shifting to
> >> >>>>> a model that openly includes individuals could have significant
> >> >> unintended
> >> >>>>> implications for ARIN.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> That doesn?t mean it can?t be done, but it would be important to
> >> >>>>> understand the problem that such a change would solve. ARIN
> accepts
> >> >>>>> incorporated entities, DBAs, sole proprietors, etc.?because we
> know
> >> >>>>> networks are run by all kinds of operators. But in every case,
> we?re
> >> >> still
> >> >>>>> issuing to an organization, however minimal the structure might
> be.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks!
> >> >>>>> /John
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John Curran
> >> >>>>> President and CEO
> >> >>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 2:09?PM, Preston Ursini via ARIN-PPML <
> >> >>>>> arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> If a sole proprietorship is accepted, I am confused as to why an
> >> >>>>> Individual cannot be accepted as they are generally the same legal
> >> >> entity
> >> >>>>> unless it is an individual?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> There are over 20,000 political subdivisions within the United
> States
> >> >>>>> when you count cities, counties, townships, etc., all with their
> own
> >> >> rules
> >> >>>>> when it comes to business licenses and conducting business,
> trying to
> >> >> tie
> >> >>>>> every sole proprietorship down with a business license when one
> may
> >> >> not be
> >> >>>>> required in many of these jurisdictions seems strange at best.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> In general the law sees Corporations and Individuals as all in the
> >> >> same,
> >> >>>>> so I?m a little confused as to why ARIN would be ok with doing
> business
> >> >>>>> with a sole proprietor but not an "individual"?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> If the issue is fraud prevention, it seems like a better approach
> would
> >> >>>>> be tying all accounts regardless of whether it is a
> >> >> business/individual,
> >> >>>>> with a government issued identification document; the trend with
> >> >> having an
> >> >>>>> officer of a company sign an RSA seems to be a step in the
> direction in
> >> >>>>> tying real people to accounts; assuming the goal here is to ensure
> >> >>>>> accountability for resource allocation?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Preston Ursini
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 7:21?AM, arin-ppml-request at arin.net <mailto:
> arin-ppml-request at arin.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to
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> >> >>>>> Today's Topics:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 1. Re: distributing resources for individuals
> >> >>>>> (jordi.palet at consulintel.es <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es
> >)
> >> >>>>> 2. Re: distributing resources for individuals (John Curran)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Message: 1
> >> >>>>> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:00:26 +0200
> >> >>>>> From: "jordi.palet at consulintel.es <mailto:
> jordi.palet at consulintel.es>" <jordi.palet at consulintel.es <mailto:
> jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
> >> >>>>> To: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> >> >>>>> Message-ID: <9175FF4A-94C3-4021-96CE-44AC5D1DA382 at consulintel.es
> <mailto:9175FF4A-94C3-4021-96CE-44AC5D1DA382 at consulintel.es>>
> >> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi John,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> A couple of questions on this:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 1) There is a formal confirmation that this ?simple and
> ?inexpensive?
> >> >>>>> procedure is the same in all the ?areas? (states, whatever is te
> >> >> division
> >> >>>>> in each country) for all the service region countries of ARIN?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 2) Are we sure that in all those areas/countries the cost of
> keeping
> >> >>>>> that ?status? (the one that is valid for ARIN), and I mean not
> only
> >> >> money,
> >> >>>>> but also recurrent paperwork (like for example if you need to
> present
> >> >>>>> quarterly/yearly tax reports, even if you don?t had economical
> >> >> activity),
> >> >>>>> is close to ?zero"?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 3) As 1 and 2 above may change (a country law may decide that a
> >> >>>>> sole-proprietorship may be enforced to something else much more
> >> >> expensive
> >> >>>>> or cease that status), do it make sense that the policy and/or
> >> >> membership
> >> >>>>> documents ask for something that doesn?t depend on ARIN decisions,
> >> >> instead
> >> >>>>> of relaying in making sure that you provide ?real documents? and
> of
> >> >> course
> >> >>>>> a valid justification for the resources that you request (which is
> >> >> already
> >> >>>>> set in the policies for each type of resource)?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>> Jordi
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> @jordipalet
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> El 17 abr 2025, a las 2:34, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net
> <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> escribi?:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ryan -
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Indeed. As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few
> times
> >> >>>>> in this discussion, ARIN already has flexibility in this regard
> and
> >> >> we do
> >> >>>>> have sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain
> number
> >> >>>>> resources. Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration
> works,
> >> >>>>> incorporation of a legal entity works ? hence the reason for
> further
> >> >>>>> discussion in order to gain a better understanding of the problem
> to be
> >> >>>>> solved.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>> /John
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John Curran
> >> >>>>> President and CEO
> >> >>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16?PM, Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org
> <mailto:ryan at rkhtech.org>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are
> >> >> under
> >> >>>>> my legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org
> >> >> tickets, and
> >> >>>>> the legal team.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in
> >> >> several
> >> >>>>> states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes
> signing
> >> >> ARIN's
> >> >>>>> agreements.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ryan Hamel
> >> >>>>> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:
> arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>> on behalf of David Farmer
> >> >>>>> via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 4:58:48 PM
> >> >>>>> To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please
> take
> >> >>>>> care when clicking links or opening attachments.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other
> states; if
> >> >>>>> you are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you
> don't
> >> >> need to
> >> >>>>> register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of
> State,
> >> >>>>> effectively, that requires more than just operating as a
> business; it
> >> >> also
> >> >>>>> requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not
> under the
> >> >>>>> owner's name.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating
> that an
> >> >>>>> organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of
> >> >> latitude
> >> >>>>> should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a
> >> >> business
> >> >>>>> and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and
> procedures
> >> >> don't
> >> >>>>> neatly align with ARIN procedures.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04?PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net
> <mailto:jcurran at arin.net> <mailto:
> >> >>>>> jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02?PM, Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net
> <mailto:pmcnary at cameron.net>
> >> >> <mailto:
> >> >>>>> pmcnary at cameron.net <mailto:pmcnary at cameron.net>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Originally
> >> >>>>> 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly
> harmed
> >> >> by
> >> >>>>> this.
> >> >>>>> In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to
> register
> >> >> with
> >> >>>>> the Secretary of State.
> >> >>>>> ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with
> >> >>>>> Secretary of State database.
> >> >>>>> We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but
> that
> >> >>>>> wasn't good enough.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Paul -
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> To be certain there?s a clear understanding of the problem that
> >> >> resulted
> >> >>>>> from the organization requirement ? are you saying that you were
> >> >> unable to
> >> >>>>> register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013?
> There
> >> >> is a
> >> >>>>> 7$ fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from
> all
> >> >>>>> appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there
> >> >> is/was
> >> >>>>> some other barrier it would be good to explain it so that folks
> >> >> understand
> >> >>>>> the scope of the problem that you experienced when trying to do
> so.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>> /John
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John Curran
> >> >>>>> President and CEO
> >> >>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>>>> ARIN-PPML
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> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Message: 2
> >> >>>>> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 12:21:30 +0000
> >> >>>>> From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> To: "jordi.palet at consulintel.es <mailto:
> jordi.palet at consulintel.es>" <jordi.palet at consulintel.es <mailto:
> jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
> >> >>>>> Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> >> >>>>> Message-ID: <19584E59-969A-4EC3-BB29-6500464AF949 at arin.net
> <mailto:19584E59-969A-4EC3-BB29-6500464AF949 at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Jordi -
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The representation you seek from ARIN regarding government
> procedures
> >> >>>>> across the the entire region is not possible to make ? and as you
> >> >> note, it
> >> >>>>> would be meaningless the very next day because such laws and
> >> >> regulations
> >> >>>>> are outside of ARIN?s control and subject to change. Note that
> this
> >> >> is the
> >> >>>>> case regardless of whether speaking of networks run by
> organizations or
> >> >>>>> individuals ? the legal requirements on networks in any given
> portion
> >> >> of
> >> >>>>> the ARIN region are not determined by ARIN.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> What we can say is that our customers want us to be reasonably
> flexible
> >> >>>>> in our processes to the extent possible, just as we are with
> respect to
> >> >>>>> confirming whether organizations requesting resources operate
> within
> >> >> the
> >> >>>>> ARIN region. We?ve evolved our processes over time to make be
> more
> >> >>>>> straightforward, and this includes handling entities that are
> >> >> incorporated,
> >> >>>>> those using DBA registrations, sole proprietorships, etc.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Your original query noted that ? In LACNIC we are having a
> discussion
> >> >>>>> because the policy manual only allows to distribute resources to
> >> >>>>> ?organizations legally registered? ? ? To be clear, ARIN is
> >> >> effectively the
> >> >>>>> same, but we are quite flexible in recognition of how our network
> >> >> customers
> >> >>>>> may go about their legal registration.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks!
> >> >>>>> /John
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John Curran
> >> >>>>> President and CEO
> >> >>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Apr 17, 2025, at 3:00?AM, jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML <
> >> >>>>> arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi John,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> A couple of questions on this:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 1) There is a formal confirmation that this ?simple and
> ?inexpensive?
> >> >>>>> procedure is the same in all the ?areas? (states, whatever is te
> >> >> division
> >> >>>>> in each country) for all the service region countries of ARIN?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 2) Are we sure that in all those areas/countries the cost of
> keeping
> >> >>>>> that ?status? (the one that is valid for ARIN), and I mean not
> only
> >> >> money,
> >> >>>>> but also recurrent paperwork (like for example if you need to
> present
> >> >>>>> quarterly/yearly tax reports, even if you don?t had economical
> >> >> activity),
> >> >>>>> is close to ?zero"?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 3) As 1 and 2 above may change (a country law may decide that a
> >> >>>>> sole-proprietorship may be enforced to something else much more
> >> >> expensive
> >> >>>>> or cease that status), do it make sense that the policy and/or
> >> >> membership
> >> >>>>> documents ask for something that doesn?t depend on ARIN decisions,
> >> >> instead
> >> >>>>> of relaying in making sure that you provide ?real documents? and
> of
> >> >> course
> >> >>>>> a valid justification for the resources that you request (which is
> >> >> already
> >> >>>>> set in the policies for each type of resource)?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>> Jordi
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> @jordipalet
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> El 17 abr 2025, a las 2:34, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net
> <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> escribi?:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ryan -
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Indeed. As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few
> times
> >> >>>>> in this discussion, ARIN already has flexibility in this regard
> and
> >> >> we do
> >> >>>>> have sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain
> number
> >> >>>>> resources. Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration
> works,
> >> >>>>> incorporation of a legal entity works ? hence the reason for
> further
> >> >>>>> discussion in order to gain a better understanding of the problem
> to be
> >> >>>>> solved.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>> /John
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John Curran
> >> >>>>> President and CEO
> >> >>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16?PM, Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org
> <mailto:ryan at rkhtech.org>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are
> >> >> under
> >> >>>>> my legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org
> >> >> tickets, and
> >> >>>>> the legal team.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in
> >> >> several
> >> >>>>> states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes
> signing
> >> >> ARIN's
> >> >>>>> agreements.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Kind regards,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Ryan Hamel
> >> >>>>> ________________________________
> >> >>>>> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:
> arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>> on behalf of David Farmer
> >> >>>>> via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 4:58:48 PM
> >> >>>>> To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>>
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please
> take
> >> >>>>> care when clicking links or opening attachments.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other
> states; if
> >> >>>>> you are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you
> don't
> >> >> need to
> >> >>>>> register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of
> State,
> >> >>>>> effectively, that requires more than just operating as a
> business; it
> >> >> also
> >> >>>>> requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not
> under the
> >> >>>>> owner's name.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating
> that an
> >> >>>>> organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of
> >> >> latitude
> >> >>>>> should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a
> >> >> business
> >> >>>>> and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and
> procedures
> >> >> don't
> >> >>>>> neatly align with ARIN procedures.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04?PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net
> <mailto:jcurran at arin.net><mailto:
> >> >>>>> jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02?PM, Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net
> <mailto:pmcnary at cameron.net>
> >> >> <mailto:
> >> >>>>> pmcnary at cameron.net <mailto:pmcnary at cameron.net>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Originally
> >> >>>>> 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly
> harmed
> >> >> by
> >> >>>>> this.
> >> >>>>> In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to
> register
> >> >> with
> >> >>>>> the Secretary of State.
> >> >>>>> ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with
> >> >>>>> Secretary of State database.
> >> >>>>> We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but
> that
> >> >>>>> wasn't good enough.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Paul -
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> To be certain there?s a clear understanding of the problem that
> >> >> resulted
> >> >>>>> from the organization requirement ? are you saying that you were
> >> >> unable to
> >> >>>>> register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013?
> There
> >> >> is a
> >> >>>>> 7$ fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from
> all
> >> >>>>> appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there
> >> >> is/was
> >> >>>>> some other barrier it would be good to explain it so that folks
> >> >> understand
> >> >>>>> the scope of the problem that you experienced when trying to do
> so.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>> /John
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John Curran
> >> >>>>> President and CEO
> >> >>>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>>>> ARIN-PPML
> >> >>>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to
> >> >>>>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML at arin.net <mailto:
> ARIN-PPML at arin.net>).
> >> >>>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
> >> >>>>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml
> >> >>>>> Please contact info at arin.net <mailto:info at arin.net> if you
> experience any issues.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> **********************************************
> >> >>>>> IPv4 is over
> >> >>>>> Are you ready for the new Internet ?
> >> >>>>> http://www.theipv6company.com <http://www.theipv6company.com/>
> >> >>>>> The IPv6 Company
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> This electronic message contains information which may be
> privileged or
> >> >>>>> confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive
> use
> >> >> of
> >> >>>>> the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty
> authorized
> >> >>>>> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> >> >>>>> information, even if partially, including attached files, is
> strictly
> >> >>>>> prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are
> not
> >> >> the
> >> >>>>> intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution
> >> >> or
> >> >>>>> use of the contents of this information, even if partially,
> including
> >> >>>>> attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a
> criminal
> >> >>>>> offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about
> this
> >> >>>>> communication and delete it.
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