[arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals

Tue Apr 8 13:26:03 EDT 2025

Jordi –

I note that individuals are private entities, whereas those who choose to participate in the Internet’s infrastructure are engaging in activities that are fundamentally public in nature. That is, participation carries the potential need for operational coordination with any of over one hundred thousand infrastructure operators globally — in effect, making it a public activity.

ARIN requires natural persons to present themselves publicly in order to hold rights to number resources. While this can be accomplished through the formation of a business, it is also readily achievable — as Bill Herrin noted — in many countries via a declaration of sole proprietorship, sole trader status, or similar constructs. This is not a circumvention of the “organizations only” principle, but rather an acknowledgment that the resource holder understands they are engaging in inherently public activity, even if not conducting business per se.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

On Apr 8, 2025, at 12:00 PM, jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:

The problem/difference is that:
1) Not all the countries in LAC will have the same legal situation that US and Canada that seems make it very easy to bypass the “organizations only”.
2) It many countries it may mean extra artificial cost.

Setting up “artificial barriers” to avoid individuals to have resources, is not only discriminatory, is also silly, because they can be bypassed with small or no cost in some countries, but bigger cost in other countries. No sense. Also that means we avoid the registries having a few extra members (note that I don’t think it will be a lot, but we should facilitate it, instead of try to avoid it).

The justification is a different problem, and this is handled by the initial allocation/assignment policy, not part of this dicussion. Obviously a small business with only a single site, will ask a /48 and if they need more they will need to do a full justification (just an example).

Regards,
Jordi

@jordipalet

El 8 abr 2025, a las 17:13, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> escribió:

Therefore it is the same in LACNIC which works pretty much similar to what Bill described for some jurisdictions.

But more important then this bureaucracy is that whoever is requesting the resources be able to justify the need for them, even for IPv6-only which is not scarce. Base should be able to justify the usage on some operation.

Fernando

On 08/04/2025 11:42, jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML wrote:

Hi Bill,

Yes, is the same in the EU (at least in Spain), when you have a self-employed, tax declaration is mixed.

The only issue is that even if you have no business, you need to pay a monthly fee (social security, VAT declaration every 3 months, even if no activity, etc.) for keeping up the status of self-employed. Not sure if in US and Canada is the same.

Creating a corporation like the “sloe proprietorship” that you mention, even if the cost is very low, still means that you need to do yearly declarations, etc. Again not sure if in US and Canada is the same.

So I feel that this way in ARIN (and LACNIC) is not good for individuals, because it adds additional cost and burden that is discriminatory. Specially because in other countries (Caribbean) it may be not so easy, and this is the same in LACNIC that has more countries, which may have much different regulations, etc.

The question here is *if* ARIN allowed (before) individuals to get resources, why it changed? it seems to be a step backwards, and decreasing competitiveness o
self-employee and in fact small-medium business.

Tks!

Regards,
Jordi

@jordipalet

El 8 abr 2025, a las 15:57, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us><mailto:bill at herrin.us> escribió:

On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 2:01 AM jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML
<arin-ppml at arin.net><mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:

I’m trying to understand if is possible in ARIN  for both, a natural person with
an economic activity (not sure if this is also call self-employment in all the
ARIN service countries) and a natural person for its own “private” life, to obtain resources.

Hi Jordi,

ARIN no longer contracts with natural persons, only businesses.

However, in the U.S. and Canada (I'm not sure about the Caribbean)
it's a trivial matter to establish a "sole proprietorship." Some
states don't even require registration; you simply declare it. In
others it requires filling out a form and paying a small fee. In both
cases, the individual's personal and business finances are mixed
together; there are no separate taxes or accounting or anything like
that. The sole proprietorship is a business which can contract with
ARIN and acquire IP addresses.

Look up AS11875 for an example of how this works.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

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William Herrin
bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>
https://bill.herrin.us/

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