[arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals

Tue Apr 8 12:00:48 EDT 2025

The problem/difference is that:
1) Not all the countries in LAC will have the same legal situation that US and Canada that seems make it very easy to bypass the “organizations only”.
2) It many countries it may mean extra artificial cost.

Setting up “artificial barriers” to avoid individuals to have resources, is not only discriminatory, is also silly, because they can be bypassed with small or no cost in some countries, but bigger cost in other countries. No sense. Also that means we avoid the registries having a few extra members (note that I don’t think it will be a lot, but we should facilitate it, instead of try to avoid it).

The justification is a different problem, and this is handled by the initial allocation/assignment policy, not part of this dicussion. Obviously a small business with only a single site, will ask a /48 and if they need more they will need to do a full justification (just an example).

Regards,
Jordi

@jordipalet

> El 8 abr 2025, a las 17:13, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> escribió:
> 
> Therefore it is the same in LACNIC which works pretty much similar to what Bill described for some jurisdictions.
> 
> But more important then this bureaucracy is that whoever is requesting the resources be able to justify the need for them, even for IPv6-only which is not scarce. Base should be able to justify the usage on some operation.
> 
> Fernando
> 
> On 08/04/2025 11:42, jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> Yes, is the same in the EU (at least in Spain), when you have a self-employed, tax declaration is mixed.
>> 
>> The only issue is that even if you have no business, you need to pay a monthly fee (social security, VAT declaration every 3 months, even if no activity, etc.) for keeping up the status of self-employed. Not sure if in US and Canada is the same.
>> 
>> Creating a corporation like the “sloe proprietorship” that you mention, even if the cost is very low, still means that you need to do yearly declarations, etc. Again not sure if in US and Canada is the same.
>> 
>> So I feel that this way in ARIN (and LACNIC) is not good for individuals, because it adds additional cost and burden that is discriminatory. Specially because in other countries (Caribbean) it may be not so easy, and this is the same in LACNIC that has more countries, which may have much different regulations, etc.
>> 
>> The question here is *if* ARIN allowed (before) individuals to get resources, why it changed? it seems to be a step backwards, and decreasing competitiveness o
>> self-employee and in fact small-medium business.
>> 
>> Tks!
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>> 
>> @jordipalet
>> 
>> 
>>> El 8 abr 2025, a las 15:57, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> <mailto:bill at herrin.us> escribió:
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 2:01 AM jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML
>>> <arin-ppml at arin.net> <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>>>> I’m trying to understand if is possible in ARIN  for both, a natural person with
>>>> an economic activity (not sure if this is also call self-employment in all the
>>>> ARIN service countries) and a natural person for its own “private” life, to obtain resources.
>>> Hi Jordi,
>>> 
>>> ARIN no longer contracts with natural persons, only businesses.
>>> 
>>> However, in the U.S. and Canada (I'm not sure about the Caribbean)
>>> it's a trivial matter to establish a "sole proprietorship." Some
>>> states don't even require registration; you simply declare it. In
>>> others it requires filling out a form and paying a small fee. In both
>>> cases, the individual's personal and business finances are mixed
>>> together; there are no separate taxes or accounting or anything like
>>> that. The sole proprietorship is a business which can contract with
>>> ARIN and acquire IP addresses.
>>> 
>>> Look up AS11875 for an example of how this works.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Bill Herrin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> William Herrin
>>> bill at herrin.us <mailto:bill at herrin.us>
>>> https://bill.herrin.us/
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