[arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

[Martin Hannigan]

Thanks! Nice data point. Appreciate it.

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 08:45 John Sweeting <jsweeting at arin.net> wrote:

> Hi Marty,
>
>
> The current waiting list has the following maximum approved sizes:
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> /22
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> 316
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> 44.32%
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> /23
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> 66
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> 9.26%
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> /24
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> 331
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> 46.42%
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> The last distribution was:
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> /22
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> 62
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> 52.99%
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> /23
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> 13
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> 11.11%
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> /24
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> 42
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> 35.90%
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Oct 7, 2024, at 10:14 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
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> 
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> Whats the distribution of requests by prefix size %?
>
> Thanks John.
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>
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> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 13:40 John Sweeting <jsweeting at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> Q: Wasn't there just a distribution in the ARIN-ISSUED report that would
>> change the situation?
>>
>> A: Yes, there were 318 /24s allocated to 117 organizations on the
>> waitlist last week. There were 819 organizations on the waitlist at the
>> time of distribution with 702 remaining upon completion of the
>> distribution. The oldest request was from January 31, 2023 (20 months)  and
>> the newest request filled was from April 25, 2023 (17 months). If the
>> maximum allocated had been limited to /24 by policy then 318 requests would
>> have been filled leaving 501 remaining on the list with the newest request
>> being filled near the end of September 2023 (12 months).
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let us know if you have any further questions. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Mike Burns
>> via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>> *Date: *Monday, October 7, 2024 at 10:01 AM
>> *To: *'William Herrin' <bill at herrin.us>, 'Denis Motova' <
>> dmotova at brcrude.com>
>> *Cc: *arin-ppml at arin.net <arin-ppml at arin.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum
>> Allocation
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The current waiting list situation is absurd.
>> We are requiring and performing a 2 year justification for addresses that
>> won't be delivered for 3 years.
>> It's the kind of bureaucratic stupidity that is a sign of poor governance.
>>
>> Something has to change to avoid the optics. This proposal would at least
>> bring the justifications in line with the deliveries.
>> There have been some suggested changes, including bumping the /24 to a
>> /23 and grandfathering current list members.
>> Maybe we could get some staff feedback on how these changes might affect
>> the list size and duration?
>>
>> Wasn't there just a distribution in the ARIN-ISSUED report that would
>> change the situation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of William Herrin
>> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2024 4:23 AM
>> To: Denis Motova <dmotova at brcrude.com>
>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum
>> Allocation
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2024 at 5:28 PM Denis Motova <dmotova at brcrude.com> wrote:
>> > Like Fernando, I'm not entirely convinced that reducing the /22 to a
>> > /24 offers significant benefits beyond potentially shortening the
>> waiting list.
>> > In my view, a /24 (256 IPs) feels quite limiting. I’d be more
>> > supportive of a /23 (512 IPs), as a /24 seems too small to accommodate
>> > the growth\ needs of startups and new businesses.
>>
>> Hi Denis,
>>
>> Bear in mind that a startup or new business remains eligible to acquire
>> addresses on the market even after receiving an allocation from the waiting
>> list. I'm dubious of the proposition that an adequately funded startup can
>> afford to wait for addresses to become available on the waiting list.
>>
>> The waiting list, in its current incarnation, seems to me like more of a
>> tool for hobbyists and charities -- folks doing something on a shoestring
>> budget that doesn't have to be done on a timeline. And of course folks
>> gaming the system with manufactured justifications to get something for
>> free. The latter group can afford to wait as long as it takes.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>>
>> --
>> William Herrin
>> bill at herrin.us
>> https://bill.herrin.us/
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