<div><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks! Nice data point. Appreciate it.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 08:45 John Sweeting <<a href="mailto:jsweeting@arin.net">jsweeting@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<span style="font-size:11pt">The current waiting list has the following maximum approved sizes:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">44.32%<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">/23<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">9.26%<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">/24<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">331<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">46.42%<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">The last distribution was:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">/22<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">52.99%<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">/23<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Aptos Narrow",sans-serif">/24<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks John.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A: Yes, there were 318 /24s allocated to 117 organizations on the waitlist last week. There were 819 organizations on the waitlist at the time of distribution with 702 remaining upon completion of the distribution.
The oldest request was from January 31, 2023 (20 months) and the newest request filled was from April 25, 2023 (17 months). If the maximum allocated had been limited to /24 by policy then 318 requests would have been filled leaving 501 remaining on the list
with the newest request being filled near the end of September 2023 (12 months).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, October 7, 2024 at 10:01</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b>'William Herrin' <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a>>, 'Denis Motova' <<a href="mailto:dmotova@brcrude.com" target="_blank">dmotova@brcrude.com</a>><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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The current waiting list situation is absurd.<br>
We are requiring and performing a 2 year justification for addresses that won't be delivered for 3 years.<br>
It's the kind of bureaucratic stupidity that is a sign of poor governance.<br>
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Something has to change to avoid the optics. This proposal would at least bring the justifications in line with the deliveries.<br>
There have been some suggested changes, including bumping the /24 to a /23 and grandfathering current list members.<br>
Maybe we could get some staff feedback on how these changes might affect the list size and duration?<br>
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Wasn't there just a distribution in the ARIN-ISSUED report that would change the situation?
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Mike<br>
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation<br>
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On Sun, Oct 6, 2024 at 5:28</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11pt">PM Denis Motova <<a href="mailto:dmotova@brcrude.com" target="_blank">dmotova@brcrude.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Like Fernando, I'm not entirely convinced that reducing the /22 to a <br>
> /24 offers significant benefits beyond potentially shortening the waiting list.<br>
> In my view, a /24 (256 IPs) feels quite limiting. I’d be more <br>
> supportive of a /23 (512 IPs), as a /24 seems too small to accommodate <br>
> the growth\ needs of startups and new businesses.<br>
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Hi Denis,<br>
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Bear in mind that a startup or new business remains eligible to acquire addresses on the market even after receiving an allocation from the waiting list. I'm dubious of the proposition that an adequately funded startup can afford to wait for addresses to become
available on the waiting list.<br>
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The waiting list, in its current incarnation, seems to me like more of a tool for hobbyists and charities -- folks doing something on a shoestring budget that doesn't have to be done on a timeline. And of course folks gaming the system with manufactured justifications
to get something for free. The latter group can afford to wait as long as it takes.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Bill Herrin<br>
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