[arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

[John Sweeting]

Q: Wasn't there just a distribution in the ARIN-ISSUED report that would change the situation?

A: Yes, there were 318 /24s allocated to 117 organizations on the waitlist last week. There were 819 organizations on the waitlist at the time of distribution with 702 remaining upon completion of the distribution. The oldest request was from January 31, 2023 (20 months)  and the newest request filled was from April 25, 2023 (17 months). If the maximum allocated had been limited to /24 by policy then 318 requests would have been filled leaving 501 remaining on the list with the newest request being filled near the end of September 2023 (12 months).

Please let us know if you have any further questions. Thanks.

From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Mike Burns via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Date: Monday, October 7, 2024 at 10:01 AM
To: 'William Herrin' <bill at herrin.us>, 'Denis Motova' <dmotova at brcrude.com>
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation
Hello,

The current waiting list situation is absurd.
We are requiring and performing a 2 year justification for addresses that won't be delivered for 3 years.
It's the kind of bureaucratic stupidity that is a sign of poor governance.

Something has to change to avoid the optics. This proposal would at least bring the justifications in line with the deliveries.
There have been some suggested changes, including bumping the /24 to a /23 and grandfathering current list members.
Maybe we could get some staff feedback on how these changes might affect the list size and duration?

Wasn't there just a distribution in the ARIN-ISSUED report that would change the situation?

Regards,
Mike




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From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of William Herrin
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2024 4:23 AM
To: Denis Motova <dmotova at brcrude.com>
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

On Sun, Oct 6, 2024 at 5:28 PM Denis Motova <dmotova at brcrude.com> wrote:
> Like Fernando, I'm not entirely convinced that reducing the /22 to a
> /24 offers significant benefits beyond potentially shortening the waiting list.
> In my view, a /24 (256 IPs) feels quite limiting. I’d be more
> supportive of a /23 (512 IPs), as a /24 seems too small to accommodate
> the growth\ needs of startups and new businesses.

Hi Denis,

Bear in mind that a startup or new business remains eligible to acquire addresses on the market even after receiving an allocation from the waiting list. I'm dubious of the proposition that an adequately funded startup can afford to wait for addresses to become available on the waiting list.

The waiting list, in its current incarnation, seems to me like more of a tool for hobbyists and charities -- folks doing something on a shoestring budget that doesn't have to be done on a timeline. And of course folks gaming the system with manufactured justifications to get something for free. The latter group can afford to wait as long as it takes.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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