[arin-ppml] Feedback Request: Policy ARIN-2024-6: 6.5.1a Definition Update

[Andrew Dul]

If the intent is for the definition in 6.5.1a to apply only 6.5, then 
the text of the proposal should probably be updated to reflect the 
specific section to which the defintion applys not a generic 'section'.

6.5.1a should then read

The terms ISP and LIR are used interchangeably in section 6.5 and any 
use of either term shall be construed to include both meanings.


Hope this helps,

Andrew


On 6/19/24 5:23 PM, Douglas Camin wrote:
>
> Bill & Cathy –
>
> The policy proposal is intended to correct what is regarded as an 
> editorial error. When Section 6.5.1a was added, it is believed the 
> intention was for it to apply to the “section” (Section 6.5) only, and 
> is interpreted that way in practice. However, it was written with the 
> word “document,” which could unintentionally allow someone to suggest 
> it implies a larger context (the whole of NRPM.)
>
> This proposal seeks to clarify by adjusting the language in 6.5.1a to 
> explicitly state that everything in Section 6.5 applies to both LIRs 
> and ISPs, even though the language of the section only uses the term 
> LIR. Elsewhere in NRPM there are distinctions between LIRs and ISPs 
> that are relevant for policy implementation and, as a result, there is 
> a distinction between LIR and ISP in those contexts.
>
> To think about it holistically – for all sections of NRPM aside from 
> 6.5, LIRs and ISPs have distinct differences. Inside of Section 6.5, 
> anywhere it references an LIR, that policy also applies to an ISP. 
> This policy changes the word “Document” to “Section” to ensure there 
> is no confusion about that.
>
> Hope that helps –
>
> Doug
>
> --
>
> Douglas J. Camin
>
> Member, ARIN Advisory Council
>
> doug at dougcamin.com
>
> *From: *ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Cj Aronson 
> <cja at daydream.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 5:08 PM
> *To: *Knowles Consulting <admin at kcgbahamas.com>
> *Cc: *PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [arin-ppml] Feedback Request: Policy ARIN-2024-6: 
> 6.5.1a Definition Update
>
> I think the question is why are you replacing "document" with 
> "section"?  So is LIR not used in the rest of the "document"?  If it 
> is then doesn't it still mean what it means in this "section"?
>
> Thanks!
>
> ----Cathy
>
> {Ô,Ô}
>
>   (( ))
>
>   ◊  ◊
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 3:01 PM Knowles Consulting 
> <admin at kcgbahamas.com> wrote:
>
>     Hi William,
>
>     This particular change is only to the actual word used.
>
>     The proposal seeks to replace the word “document“ with “section”.
>
>     So as it pertains to that section in policy both terms can be used.
>
>     Hope that helps.
>
>
>     Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse brevity and typos
>
>
>     > On Jun 19, 2024, at 4:51 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>     >
>     > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:15 PM Douglas Camin
>     <doug at dougcamin.com> wrote:
>     >> Change the text from:
>     >>
>     >> The terms ISP and LIR are used interchangeably in this document
>     and any use of either term shall be construed to include both
>     meanings.
>     >>
>     >> to
>     >>
>     >> The terms ISP and LIR are used interchangeably in this SECTION
>     and any use of either term shall be construed to include both
>     meanings.
>     >
>     > Howdy,
>     >
>     > I'm confused. Are you saying you want LIR and ISP to mean different
>     > things depending on where they appear in the NRPM document?
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Bill Herrin
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     > William Herrin
>     > bill at herrin.us
>     > https://bill.herrin.us/
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