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If the intent is for the definition in 6.5.1a to apply only 6.5,
then the text of the proposal should probably be updated to reflect
the specific section to which the defintion applys not a generic
'section'.<br>
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6.5.1a should then read<br>
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The terms ISP and LIR are used interchangeably in section 6.5 and
any use of either term shall be construed to include both meanings.<br>
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<br>
Hope this helps,<br>
<br>
<p>Andrew</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/19/24 5:23 PM, Douglas Camin
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bill &
Cathy – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The policy
proposal is intended to correct what is regarded as an
editorial error. When Section 6.5.1a was added, it is
believed the intention was for it to apply to the “section”
(Section 6.5) only, and is interpreted that way in practice.
However, it was written with the word “document,” which
could unintentionally allow someone to suggest it implies a
larger context (the whole of NRPM.)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This
proposal seeks to clarify by adjusting the language in
6.5.1a to explicitly state that everything in Section 6.5
applies to both LIRs and ISPs, even though the language of
the section only uses the term LIR. Elsewhere in NRPM there
are distinctions between LIRs and ISPs that are relevant for
policy implementation and, as a result, there is a
distinction between LIR and ISP in those contexts.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">To think
about it holistically – for all sections of NRPM aside from
6.5, LIRs and ISPs have distinct differences. Inside of
Section 6.5, anywhere it references an LIR, that policy also
applies to an ISP. This policy changes the word “Document”
to “Section” to ensure there is no confusion about that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hope that
helps – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Doug<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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J. Camin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Member,
ARIN Advisory Council<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Aronson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cja@daydream.com"><cja@daydream.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 5:08</span><span
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<b>To: </b>Knowles Consulting
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<b>Cc: </b>PPML <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"><arin-ppml@arin.net></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [arin-ppml] Feedback Request:
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the question is why are you
replacing "document" with "section"? So is LIR not used
in the rest of the "document"? If it is then doesn't it
still mean what it means in this "section"?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 3:01<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi William,<br>
<br>
This particular change is only to the actual word
used. <br>
<br>
The proposal seeks to replace the word “document“ with
“section”. <br>
<br>
So as it pertains to that section in policy both terms
can be used. <br>
<br>
Hope that helps. <br>
<br>
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Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse brevity and
typos<br>
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> On Jun 19, 2024, at 4:51<span
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William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us"
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> <span
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Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 12:15<span
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Douglas Camin <<a href="mailto:doug@dougcamin.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">doug@dougcamin.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Change the text from:<br>
>> <br>
>> The terms ISP and LIR are used
interchangeably in this document and any use of either
term shall be construed to include both meanings.<br>
>> <br>
>> to<br>
>> <br>
>> The terms ISP and LIR are used
interchangeably in this SECTION and any use of either
term shall be construed to include both meanings.<br>
> <br>
> Howdy,<br>
> <br>
> I'm confused. Are you saying you want LIR and ISP
to mean different<br>
> things depending on where they appear in the NRPM
document?<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> Bill Herrin<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> William Herrin<br>
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