[arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

[Owen DeLong]

> On Feb 22, 2024, at 07:17, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 22/02/2024 02:14, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>> Yes, YOU made those decisions for YOUR network. Now you are trying to force those decisions (specifically deployment of CGNAT) onto others through policy. No sale here.
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> No, these decisions are made taking into account the reality of the things, or do you think it is fine to completely disregard the IPv4 exhaustion and keep assigning scarce IPv4 resources from the waiting list in total luxury to those who are able to go to the market and transfer more addresses in other to fulfill their decision to not do CGNAT ? Do you think there is any fairness on this ? Or even forcing this method to make the waiting list more difficult to those who need even more as a way to force - who knows who - to deploy IPv6 ?

I think each network operator needs to consider the reality as it applies to their network. 

I think that the sooner IPv4 becomes too expensive to deploy on new elements other than v6 transition, the better for everyone. 

As such, the important thing is for the waitlist to be a very slow source of addresses. The easiest way to ensure that is to place as few limitations on who can acquire space from the waitlist. 
> I cannot agree there is reasonableness in keep allowing organizations who already have any size of allocation to receive in whatever is left for the waiting list if they have more conditions to transfer further IPv4 space should they require. This is the fairness which is sought in the policy development process.
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Then we can agree to disagree and that’s fine. It’s been obvious for a long time that you and I have different perspectives and differing opinions on these matters. 

I cannot agree that it is fair to prevent existing users from having an equal shot at available address space with new entrants and I think reservating IPv4 for “future use” to the detriment of “current need” is wholly unfair. 

Owen

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