[arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

[Scott Leibrand]

The point isn't to "improve the visual appearance of the waiting list
numbers". Everyone knows the free pool is empty except for the reclaimed
dregs, and we're deciding who should get how much of the dregs. The point
of this proposal, limiting the maximum allocation to /24, is to allocate
smaller netblocks to organizations that have been waiting a shorter amount
of time, instead of making everyone wait longer while those with a
non-time-sensitive justification for a larger block can get one and those
who only need a smaller block wait in line longer.

Another alternative to limiting everyone to a /24 would be to prioritize
the waitlist such that everyone's place in line is determined by how long
they've been waiting divided by how many /24s they're requesting. So at any
given time, we might be fulfilling /24 requests that have been waiting 6
months, /23 requests that have been waiting a year, and /22 requests that
have been waiting 2 years. (Or 1, 2, and 4 years, respectively.) That way
no one is penalized for accepting a smaller block, and an organization who
can usefully use a /24 now and a /24 later gets a /23 worth of space in the
same amount of time as someone holding out for a contiguous /23.

-Scott

On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 12:56 PM Denis Motova <dmotova at brcrude.com> wrote:

> Dear William,
>
> I appreciate your message and your input.
>
> I have some reservations about agreeing with the statement you made, and
> I'll explain my reasoning below:
>
> I strongly believe that there are numerous legitimate businesses currently
> on the waiting list seeking IP space allocations of /22, /23, and /24. By
> removing the option for these allocations, we essentially transform the
> waiting list into what you described in a previous post as catering to
> "hobbyists and speculators." It's unlikely that any serious company would
> require only 256 IPs within a network; that's essentially a micro-network.
>
> As you are aware, there are multiple avenues for obtaining IP space,
> including the waiting list and authorized purchase methods. From my
> perspective, if a business urgently needs IP space, they would likely
> follow the example of AWS and invest in acquiring the necessary resources
> rather than wait through the waiting list.
>
> For instance, one of our customers acquired a /17 by purchasing it from
> the market after providing justifications to ARIN for the IP space. While
> this involved a significant financial investment, it demonstrated the
> seriousness of their business needs.
>
> I fail to see the value in limiting everyone's network size solely to
> improve the visual appearance of the waiting list numbers.
>
> Thank you once again for your collaborative spirit and feedback.
>
> Sincerely,
> Denis
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2024, at 15:52, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 8:52 AM Denis Motova <dmotova at brcrude.com> wrote:
>
> A. Decreasing the allocation to a /24 means that new allocation
> holders would receive a minuscule network, hardly sufficient for
> small to mid-sized deployments.
>
>
> Hi Denis,
>
> At this point, the wait list is for hobbyists and speculators: people
> who can afford to wait, which a serious business cannot.
>
> Tell me I'm wrong.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
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