[arin-ppml] ARIN-2023-8 - Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

[Denis Motova]

I would have to agree with Dominik.

I would say that William’s approach would be highly unfair to smaller organizations that simply can’t afford IP space. Larger organizations can buy IPs when they need them by securing them against bank loans and/or credit facilities, but smaller organizations can’t… so it would be basically rewarding large organizations and punishing smaller ones because they are small and/or just starting up. Limiting ARINs overall role doesn’t make sense either.

I would also be categorically against this proposal.

Denis


On 14 Aug 2024, at 5:24 PM, Dominik Dobrowolski <dominikdobrowolski.co at gmail.com> wrote:

I’m sorry William,

But creating an auction system for returning prefixes if ridiculous.

1. It is unfair to people already on the waiting list
2. It is unfair to smaller organisations not being able to compete with the resources some of the larger organisations possess. They wait because they don’t have the resources to pay huge amounts of money to ip brokers -> not because their requests are illegitimate.
(Keep in mind, for larger orgs that have an urgent need and can afford it, there are services of ip brokers)

This is my personal opinion, but that is exactly what ip brokers would like to happen.

This would be legitimising ip brokers, this would reduce ARINs overall role, reducing it to a role of an ip broker or the wholesaler for ip brokers.

Categorically I’m against this proposal.

Kind Regards,
Dominik Dobrowolski

W dniu śr., 14.08.2024 o 21:58 William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> napisał(a):
On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 12:46 AM Gerry E.. George <ggeorge at digisolv.com<mailto:ggeorge at digisolv.com>> wrote:
> As  a co-shepherd on policy 2023-8 (Gerry George & Brian Jones) on
> Draft Policy ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation, I'm reaching
> out for additional feedback from the community on this policy following the
> robust discussions at and since ARIN-53.

Hi Gerry,

The wait list system is not really sane. If your need can afford to
wait three years to fulfill it with addresses, how does that not say
everything that needs to be said about its legitimacy?

I'd like to see a concrete proposal along the lines of releasing
waitlist addresses to the brokers for sale or directly auctioning them
off as they become available. Maybe the mechanics won't work out, but
I'd like to see it and consider whether it's a reasonable idea after
the details are ironed out. Since these are returned blocks,
auctioning them explicitly would also allow bidders to evaluate their
reputation history when making an offer rather than getting stuck with
whatever random block comes up.

In the interests of fairness to the folks who joined the wait list in
good faith, perhaps limit the first few auctions to folks already on
the waitlist before opening it up to the public at large.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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