[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2023-3: Amendment of the waitlist agreement to include a restriction on leasing

[Ron Grant]

That's not a lease, in the sense that's of concern. "Downstream" implies 
a connection. Let's call that "rent".

ISPs "rent" IP blocks all the time - even for their own customers. 
$10/mo for a static IP address instead of a DHCP assigned one - a 
practice as old as the hills.

And business-based Internet is almost always a statically assigned CIDR 
subnet - for example one client of mine assigns a /29 for free, and 
charges an additional $1/ip for larger networks. That's rent. (ya I 
know, IANAL and the acronym speaks volumes)

Seems to me the thing that's got everyone tied in a knot is the idea of 
allowing someone to lease out a wait-listed network to someone with whom 
YOU HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP.

How to define that? Maybe "arm's length".....

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/arm%27s_length#:~:text=“Arm%27s%20length”%20is%20an%20expression,and%20in%20their%20self%2Dinterest.



On 2023-06-20 9:44 p.m., Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML wrote:
> What if the registrant issues the addresses to downstream BGP customers?
>
> Owen
>
>
>> On Jun 20, 2023, at 15:16, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 8:54 AM ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>>> Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for lease or transfer, with the exception of Section 8.2 transfers, for a period of 60 months.
>> Fuzzy language. What is leasing? Suggest something more like:
>>
>> "If announced on the public Internet, address space distributed from
>> the waitlist shall be announced only by the direct ARIN registrant
>> until 60 months after receipt."
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>> -- 
>> William Herrin
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>> https://bill.herrin.us/
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